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Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by _-___________-_ »

kobbe wrote: post #17
capableweb wrote: post #2

> 8/23/2010 8:27 > nei.-iäo tronoäl-ait-iäo oioit ratt nu och att dokumentet kommer fram ti11 dig sofi ' däi-ska'. ' ski cka ääinä-en bekräftelse "I hope I did right now and the document reached you. Please confirm" > 8/24/2010 9:33 > Gör enligt följande. rlipp in detta i ett för[ör och signela förhöret. Det kommer sä kons-ti gt ut om iag signerar. Jag bi fogar det 9am1a förhöret. "Do the following: add this in a int…

Maybe the last part should also be included? The last reply is "yes, but I will write a pm about it". This is the answer to the statement about there being two interigations if she creates a new one. Maybe we can request that PM?

I think in this context PM is short for promemoria which means "memo", as in, "yes but I'll write a[n explanatory] memo about it"

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by pvaldes »

"You'll have to edit the original interrogation/transcript and sign it"

IF this leaks are correct and true and not a fake leak, it sounds totally like two people conspirating to manipulate evidence against a third accusate of a crime, without his knowledge, and for unknown purposes.

We are talking of: correcting a typo? removing some parts?, adding other parts? adding a phrase that says something like "yes, I raped this women and enjoyed each second of it"?. Is horrible.

If proven true, this would be a serious issue that distroys the right to defence. Manipulating evidence is typified as a crime in most countries. They had a lot of things to explain.

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by tpmx »

Swede here.

I think 1, 2 and 3 are irrelevant. No advanced OCR needed.

Link number 4 seems to contain everything in cleartext (well, PDF, but the text is text, not bitmaps).

While I can read this I can't tell if this is evidence of a conspiracy, or if it's just the case of a more senior police officer helping a junior officer to do things by the book. (I do see some hints of this.) I think we'd need legal professionals to have a look at this.

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by nsajko »

pvaldes wrote: post #22

"You'll have to edit the original interrogation/transcript and sign it" IF this leaks are correct and true and not a fake leak , it sounds totally like two people conspirating to manipulate evidence against a third accusate of a crime, without his knowledge, and for unknown purposes. We are talking of: correcting a typo? removing some parts?, adding other parts? adding a phrase that says something like "yes, I raped…

On the contrary, I think this is more damning for Melzer: it seems inconclusive as proof for the accusations of "proactive manipulation of evidence", when he should really have had something more considering all the fuss he is raising.

Mind you, it might turn out the police did do malicious manipulation of evidence; but right now it seems more like Melzer is just trying to get publicity or something.

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by mlj45 »

BoardsOfCanada wrote: post #18

A second opionion: * 8/23/2010 8:27 Hej, jag hoppas att jag gjort rätt nu och att dokumentet kommer fram ti11 dig som det ska. Skicka gärna en bekräftelse. Vad beträffar den muntliga föredragningen för åklagaren har jag ingen mer information än att den gjordes per telefon av Linda Wassgren någon gång under förhörets gång. Vad som föredrogs är för mig obekant då Wassqren inte ville kommunicera med mig. Någon möjlighet…

Agree this is the part of the Freedom of Information Request that is relevant to this, and that this is a sensible translation.

My interpretation of this is that Irmeli Krans is asking Mats Gehlin how to formally log additional information (in the form of some kind of verbal communication with the prosecutor) and ensure that this information is associated with the case file.

The back and forth, again as far as I understand the implicit context and the terminology used, concerns how to do this technically. Gehlin suggests it be logged as a separate, additional interview. Krans is worried that will look weird, since there was only one actual interview undertaken by Krans. Krans then suggests that the technically correct way of doing this would be to change the original interview and sign that.

I read "change" here as implying "append the new information in that document". There is no obvious suggestion of editing the existing text of the original interview.

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by dang »

jessaustin wrote: post #27

[flagged] already? Wow HN has some torture fans...

Please don't post dross comments like this. It's plain that HN is divided about Assange, as it is divided on every other divisive topic. That's a trivial consequence of the population sample being large enough.

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by mindcrash »

belorn wrote: post #11
capableweb wrote: post #2

> 8/23/2010 8:27 > nei.-iäo tronoäl-ait-iäo oioit ratt nu och att dokumentet kommer fram ti11 dig sofi ' däi-ska'. ' ski cka ääinä-en bekräftelse "I hope I did right now and the document reached you. Please confirm" > 8/24/2010 9:33 > Gör enligt följande. rlipp in detta i ett för[ör och signela förhöret. Det kommer sä kons-ti gt ut om iag signerar. Jag bi fogar det 9am1a förhöret. "Do the following: add this in a int…

> dirtvärymdän" (CapableWeb: not sure what that is...), The text says "durtvårymden", and the latter part rymden, in context, is likely best translated to "ether". Ie, they don't want their name to be circulating in the ... ether. I would guess Durtvå is either a misspelling or a specific network. Update: Did a google (should have done that earlier) and got back an answer: Durtvå is the "Datoriserad utredningsrutin m…

ether = aether = "a medium that was once supposed to fill all space and to support the propagation of electromagnetic waves". This definitely suggests that what their trying to communicate here is that they don't want to see their names circulating on mediums like the Internet or other oldschool broadcasting mediums like newspapers, radio and television.

Re: Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated

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Post by capableweb »

mindcrash wrote: post #29
belorn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dirtvärymdän" (CapableWeb: not sure what that is...), The text says "durtvårymden", and the latter part rymden, in context, is likely best translated to "ether". Ie, they don't want their name to be circulating in the ... ether. I would guess Durtvå is either a misspelling or a specific network. Update: Did a google (should have done that earlier) and got back an answer: Durtvå is the "Datoriserad utredningsrutin m…

ether = aether = "a medium that was once supposed to fill all space and to support the propagation of electromagnetic waves". This definitely suggests that what their trying to communicate here is that they don't want to see their names circulating on mediums like the Internet or other oldschool broadcasting mediums like newspapers, radio and television.

In Swedish, "rymden" kan also refer to just the "space" or "attention" really. It doesn't imply any public space really, just any space.
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