Live data from Hacker News

Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

wikimediafoundation.org

21–30 of 283 posts

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#21
post #20
post #17

The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

The regularity of Turkish elections is... disputed, to say the least. Before and after Erdogan.

Really? Who says this?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#22
post #17

The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

It’s not clear. The elections were widely reported to be fraudulent and voter intimidation and violence were widely reported. A meaningful portion of the world’s imprisoned reporters are in Turkey. It is trivial to find articles and reports on this.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#23
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you're smart enough to be in grad school, you're smart enough to have a VPN

You assume a vpn service (or even an ssh tunnel) is something a grad student in a third world country can afford? Often this is not the case.

I think you shouldn't use terminology you don't understand:

1. All this "1st / 2nd / 3rd world" is from cold war time and not really relevant anymore.

2. Turkey is NATO member since 1952 so it's would be your first world country.

PS: Of course Turkey is not a rich country, but everyone there can certainly afford $3-5 a month for VPN.

UPD: s/user/use/

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#24
post #21
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regularity of Turkish elections is... disputed, to say the least. Before and after Erdogan.

Really? Who says this?

Names and addresses?

Edit: In case it is not clear, this is a (poor taste) joke. The track record for beating those who dissent even when outside of Turkey is well established.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#25

I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

As a billionaire philanthropist you will still have to align to your home country’s foreign policy, because your billions only have value so far as the State enforces your property rights.

So very concretely, if China says "hey US of A, please don’t bring uncensored Internet to my citizens: it would be a shame if all this manufacturing and trade suddenly stopped", and the US gov agrees, then Elon Musk will not provide uncensored Internet access to Chinese citizens. Else, Elon Musk will cease to be a billionaire and the Internet access will stop working anyway.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#26
post #17

The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

It’s not clear. The elections were widely reported to be fraudulent and voter intimidation and violence were widely reported. A meaningful portion of the world’s imprisoned reporters are in Turkey. It is trivial to find articles and reports on this.

and you can say that while Erdogan's party lost all local elections couple of months ago in all major cities like Ankara, Istanbul?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume a vpn service (or even an ssh tunnel) is something a grad student in a third world country can afford? Often this is not the case.

There are free VPNs, although most are probably spyware. If you need one both free of charge and free of malware, btw, you should get Psiphon ( https://psiphon.ca/ ), which came out of the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto.

Free VPNs are not always spyware. Some just going to use your PC as proxy server for someone else instead like Hola / Luminati which is extremely shady, but on other side dont need to spy on you since their commercial customers pay them well for residential proxy servers.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#29

I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

[deleted]

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

#30
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You assume a vpn service (or even an ssh tunnel) is something a grad student in a third world country can afford? Often this is not the case.

I think you shouldn't use terminology you don't understand: 1. All this "1st / 2nd / 3rd world" is from cold war time and not really relevant anymore. 2. Turkey is NATO member since 1952 so it's would be your first world country. PS: Of course Turkey is not a rich country, but everyone there can certainly afford $3-5 a month for VPN. UPD: s/user/use/

Very well said. There are no worse people than those who trash their own country with ludicrous arguments.
Post reply on HN