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Noticing You're Confused

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Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by lilyball »

kstenerud wrote: post #13

Hang on... I'm confused here: > Not only had he lied about his experience, he’d set up fake identities complete with LinkedIn profiles with hundreds of connections, then gotten people who were complicit in his lie to pretend to be those people on the phone. > I sat down and tried to trace the source of my confusion. Sam didn’t have a LinkedIn profile, and when I asked him why he said he turned it off because he got t…

Perhaps because he didn't want any interviewers finding backchannel references but only consulting the references he provided. If he gave a LinkedIn profile for himself, he'd have to have plenty of connections that could be contacted as potential references.

Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by sdan »

kstenerud wrote: post #13

Hang on... I'm confused here: > Not only had he lied about his experience, he’d set up fake identities complete with LinkedIn profiles with hundreds of connections, then gotten people who were complicit in his lie to pretend to be those people on the phone. > I sat down and tried to trace the source of my confusion. Sam didn’t have a LinkedIn profile, and when I asked him why he said he turned it off because he got t…

Probably didn't want coworkers to get recommended to connect with him on Linkedin (which would blow his cover).

I remember when I said I worked at company X on Linkedin, the next day I was getting barraged with emails and notifications to connect with coworkers (which 1-2 months into the job, didn't really feel like doing) and I'm pretty sure they got those recommendations about me as well.

Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by lilyball »

NhanH wrote: post #12

Imagine if you read the autobiography of a big name and they told a story about how they hack the interviewing process of X company, getting they first big break which resulted in all the big successes afterward. How much admiration would he get for that, a #1 HN story even. I do get confused reading this story, at least I wish it continue on for a bit afterward (how was his reaction, other people's reaction. Did you…

I'm pretty sure "blatantly lying about your past experience and getting your wife to cover for you" isn't "hacking the interviewing process".

Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by [deleted] »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #2

Clearly there was fraud here. But I'm curious about the the interview process. If the person was a fraud, how did he get through the technical and management interviews? Surely talking to someone for 5 mins would help you figure out if they were technically competent. So apparently the interview process had zero decision value. Why bother interviewing candidates then? They should just check references and get on with…

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Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by sdan »

juanbyrge wrote: post #15

What if you missed out on hiring the Steve Jobs of the catering industry? Jobs had no real engineering experience to bring to the table. He had a small amount of education from Reed College, but it was in a completely unrelated major, and he had dropped out early. But he had a way with words, seemed to have a passion for technology, and probably lied about having worked at Hewlett-Packard. "I figured, this guy's gott…

There's a difference between lying about one position and making entire linkedin profiles that you set up.

One's mischievous and one's deception.

Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by jacquesm »

kstenerud wrote: post #13

Hang on... I'm confused here: > Not only had he lied about his experience, he’d set up fake identities complete with LinkedIn profiles with hundreds of connections, then gotten people who were complicit in his lie to pretend to be those people on the phone. > I sat down and tried to trace the source of my confusion. Sam didn’t have a LinkedIn profile, and when I asked him why he said he turned it off because he got t…

I don't have a Linkedin profile. What's suspicious about that? Or do you mean just in the context of cultivating that network? If so, how would you know given that there is no nexus to that network?

Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by arram »

kstenerud wrote: post #13

Hang on... I'm confused here: > Not only had he lied about his experience, he’d set up fake identities complete with LinkedIn profiles with hundreds of connections, then gotten people who were complicit in his lie to pretend to be those people on the phone. > I sat down and tried to trace the source of my confusion. Sam didn’t have a LinkedIn profile, and when I asked him why he said he turned it off because he got t…

Author here. Your guess is as good as mine, but probably for the reasons other people have mentioned here. It would be making the lie in public, attached to his own name. The fake profiles aren't attached to anyone real.

Re: Noticing You're Confused

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Post by rainyMammoth »

> the demand for qualified engineering managers being far, far, greater than the supply.

That's not really what it is. Let's rephrase it as "the demand for engineering managers that pass your completely subjective interview process which is completely unrelated to the job".

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