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Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by Nasrudith »

onion2k wrote: post #12
droithomme wrote: post #2

This story is a bit weird. The company is trying to repress publication of their catalog that was obtained from a FOIA act request directed at a small police department. Well this company is emailing their catalog at police departments nationwide. Fair enough but the catalog is certainly not a matter of national security as they are abusively claiming. Their items are fairly boring and things that anyone here with a…

If a police department needs any of their items, they can save money hiring a high school student with modest skills and awareness of what's available on aliexpress. Would evidence collected by an ad hoc device installed by a student be admissible in court? I always understood that most of these devices are expensive because they have features that can be used to verify the chain of evidence. Something bought from Al…

It should be given that chain of custody can be maintained just fine for random devices and pieces of evidence in crimes. A whole device would certainly qualify even if overkill for other contexts when random security camera footage from witnesses can be verified and a copy taken in.

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Post by Nasrudith »

turkthrower123 wrote: post #10

Ted Kaczynski and Clifford Stoll were spot-on about the detrimental effects of technology on freedom and happiness.

Clifford Stoll himself admitted that he was hillariously wrong. As for Ted Kaczynski - he was a goddamned moron was no sense of history or prehistory and absolutely no coherent plan. 1. Send mail bombs to iniversities and airports 2. ??? 3. Downfall of industrial society 4. Industrial society somehow won't establish itself again as technology grants advantages desperately needed to survive making the whole plan cruel and pointless.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

Is there a price?

Taking a raspberrypi zero, a camera, 4g modem, a couple of batteries and a charge circuit can turn any large-enough object into a hidden camera, for <$100 + the price of object itself (+ some dremel-ing and superglue).

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Post by jermaustin1 »

harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club

Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club?

I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin?

Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

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Post by nyolfen »

bitL wrote: post #19
nyolfen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is nothing special about 5g vs current solutions. it’s just faster and supports more clients per station with worse range.

It's just there is too much bandwidth there and some could be repurposed for "telemetry". Many things can be derived from parallel audio/video/IMU streams from multiple phones/devices around a certain spot of interest. Storing them for e.g. a month, automatically analyzing streams with Deep Learning, with suspected ones passed over for a human review. 5G could be a testing tech for that due to bandwidth capabilities.

sorry, does 5g magically give other people access to all the phone audio in an area?

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Post by SQueeeeeL »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #25
harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

For politicians, authenticity of belief is a big concern. If you are someone who geniuenly believes strip clubs are a moral evil, why do you deserve to be manipulated by a politician who doesn't actually care about the issue and is only trying to steal your vote

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Post by bitL »

nyolfen wrote: post #26
bitL wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just there is too much bandwidth there and some could be repurposed for "telemetry". Many things can be derived from parallel audio/video/IMU streams from multiple phones/devices around a certain spot of interest. Storing them for e.g. a month, automatically analyzing streams with Deep Learning, with suspected ones passed over for a human review. 5G could be a testing tech for that due to bandwidth capabilities.

sorry, does 5g magically give other people access to all the phone audio in an area?

Nope, but it could be used to R&D a new tech that would make mandatory connections to nearby 5G to some "telemetry" band where all sensory information would go, regardless of whether you like it or not. Similarly to how SMS type 0 is handled by baseband processor in every single cell phone already - you don't even know you received/sent hundreds of those. It's not like there isn't some precedent already most people don't know about...

Re: Secretive Surveillance Company Is Selling Cops Cameras Hidden in Gravestones

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Post by jermaustin1 »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #27
jermaustin1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

For politicians, authenticity of belief is a big concern. If you are someone who geniuenly believes strip clubs are a moral evil, why do you deserve to be manipulated by a politician who doesn't actually care about the issue and is only trying to steal your vote

Why is it manipulation, if they say they are going to shut down strip clubs, and actively work towards it, why should I care if they WANT to shut them down, vs doing it because it is a campaign promise.

Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. You may agree with their policies or not, but you can't fault a person for enjoying something they are against.

I smoked pot as a teenager, and enjoyed it, and fondly look back on those days getting high with my friends. Your view point would mean I couldn't actively be against teenagers smoking pot, and if I were a politician, I should not back anti-smoking legislation for teenagers.

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Post by turk73 »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #25
harimau777 wrote: post #15

I often see people say that we don't have an expectation of privacy in public. However, it seems to me that ignores the nuance of actual social norms. - Eavesdropping is generally considered anti-social. - Taking up-skirt pictures in public is, I presume, illegal. - If someone buys their prescriptions at a public grocery store, would it be alright for someone in the store to photograph their medical data? It seems to…

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

Pretty sure you don't understand that pols have in-call services. What do you think Epstein existed for (other than blackmail)?
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