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Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

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Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

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I imagine this is perfect for climate change deniers. Climate change is very difficult to fight because both undershooting and overshooting your predictions can come back and hurt you.

It's a ridiculously uneven playing field that, like too many things, has practically become a sport with two sides supporting their own team.

"If you're in any way even slightly wrong, we're right."

Denial mixed with pride is a powerful drug and you see it in action everywhere; the amount of energy we expend on avoiding an uncomfortable truth, be it unrequited love, losing a loved one, or being found to be wrong in an argument.

It doesn't really feel like we're fighting for the survival of our humanity. Maybe just prolonging our own individual existence so we don't have to deal with change, our beloved children be damned.

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

#22
post #5

I imagine this is perfect for climate change deniers. Climate change is very difficult to fight because both undershooting and overshooting your predictions can come back and hurt you.

It seems like a pretty strong argument if the models are this unreliable.

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

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That's weird, I'm pretty sure in the 80s I read that by 2020 the Earth would be a giant ball of smoldering fire

I'm pretty sure in the '70s I read the Earth would be a big ball of ice, but it's OK since if we didn't nuke ourselves the overpopulation will have killed us all off.

Yep. The doomsdayers have a pretty impressive track record of being wrong. They're getting better with their marketing, at least.

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

#24
post #5

I imagine this is perfect for climate change deniers. Climate change is very difficult to fight because both undershooting and overshooting your predictions can come back and hurt you.

You could nail it every time and they'd still deny it. Look at flat Earthers.

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

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post #8
post #6

That's weird, I'm pretty sure in the 80s I read that by 2020 the Earth would be a giant ball of smoldering fire

I'm pretty sure in the '70s I read the Earth would be a big ball of ice, but it's OK since if we didn't nuke ourselves the overpopulation will have killed us all off.

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Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

#26
post #5

I imagine this is perfect for climate change deniers. Climate change is very difficult to fight because both undershooting and overshooting your predictions can come back and hurt you.

Simple solution: stop making predictions with a degree of claimed accuracy that doesn't exist. There's no good reason to put a deadline such as 2020 on a prediction except as an attempt to imply a degree of certainty that doesn't exist. Climate change skeptics exist for many reasons and these poorly thought out predictions just feed into them.

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

#27
Back in 2004 the Pentagon predicted dooooooooooooooom by 2020:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.t...

"A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world."

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen what's going on in Australia and the Amazon right about now?

Yeah, fire because of arson? There were much bigger fires past due to lack of fire supplies. What's your point?

The fires are obviously much worse due to high temps

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

#29
post #5

I imagine this is perfect for climate change deniers. Climate change is very difficult to fight because both undershooting and overshooting your predictions can come back and hurt you.

Can we please stop this absurd idea of "climate change deniers".

No one is denying that the climate is changing. It always have and it always will.

The discussion is about how much, how big a problem it is, how much of it is because of us and to what extent we can/should do anything about it.

That's the actual debate. Calling someone a climate change denier is a cheap and sloppy shot at trying to lump a much more complex discussion into a simple pro/con.

Re: Glacier National Park to remove all 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signs

#30
post #5

I imagine this is perfect for climate change deniers. Climate change is very difficult to fight because both undershooting and overshooting your predictions can come back and hurt you.

I like the part where global warming bloviators cry the sky is falling and make exact predictions then when it doesn't occur insult those that disagree and say they don't understand science.

Wouldn't a long string of failed predictions be indicative of failure to understand...?

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