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Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

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Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#21

The thing is, this DRM stuff causes a lot of problems, like performance loss and even crashes. Therefore even honest buyers use the cracks, to get rid of it. Some people even wait until the game appears DRM-free on GOG, because of this.

> Therefore even honest buyers use the cracks, to get rid of it.

How many of these cracks actually fully get rid of denuvo? I'm not familiar enough with current developments, but most DRM patches I've seen didn't actually get rid of the DRM.

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#22
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that at least 99.9% of PC game buyers don't even know whether a game has something like Denuvo or not.

I suspect that number is far lower... like 95% PC Gaming may be mainstream now but in its nerdier days awareness of cracking was quite high... and I imagine it still is among demographics that cannot afford to plunk down $60 for the latest whatever-they-want

Well, he did say "PC game buyers" :)

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#23
post #7

I find the dynamic between passionate hackers doing it for free against paid DRM writers to be very interesting, gets to show you how passion for problem solving can sometimes trump people writing software for money no matter the money involved

I think it’s just much harder to write effective DRM than to break it.

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#24
post #7

I find the dynamic between passionate hackers doing it for free against paid DRM writers to be very interesting, gets to show you how passion for problem solving can sometimes trump people writing software for money no matter the money involved

Not exactly doing it for free

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#25
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that at least 99.9% of PC game buyers don't even know whether a game has something like Denuvo or not.

I suspect that number is far lower... like 95% PC Gaming may be mainstream now but in its nerdier days awareness of cracking was quite high... and I imagine it still is among demographics that cannot afford to plunk down $60 for the latest whatever-they-want

Awareness of cracking is high, but if you own a PC that can play these games you can afford 60$ to pay for the game. Or you can just wait a little and get one of the millions of games on Steam for approximately no money.

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#26
post #7

I find the dynamic between passionate hackers doing it for free against paid DRM writers to be very interesting, gets to show you how passion for problem solving can sometimes trump people writing software for money no matter the money involved

No one has ever written bug free code. Lots of people have found bugs in code. That's all I think the difference is.

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#27

The thing is, this DRM stuff causes a lot of problems, like performance loss and even crashes. Therefore even honest buyers use the cracks, to get rid of it. Some people even wait until the game appears DRM-free on GOG, because of this.

i try to buy as many games on gog as possible now.

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#28
post #5

Does someone know if insiders are releasing the cracks or are these cracking groups independent?

Denuvo is based on VMProtect, at least in part, which implements DRM through virtualization and encryption of the original code. Since it takes days to "crack Denuvo", I'm guessing they are cracking the encryption key or doing some sort of statistical reassembly of the raw code from a sample base. In either case it doesn't sound like there are any insiders involved, no.

https://vmpsoft.com/

The back story is that at some point VMPSoft was suing Denovo for buying a single license of VMProtect and then using it to roll out their own DRM system. It was a complete LOL really. They ended up settling out of court.

Re: Average Denuvo cracking time is now 75 days

#29
post #3
post #2

It is still profitable to add Denuvo for game publishers, because most sales happen in the first week.

When you look at the statistics you can see that the cracking time is becoming faster. Which means that one day the crack should be released within the first week. I guess, then game studios have to rethink their DRM.

I don't think you can really tell from these stats. 120 days ago the mean cracking time was 73 days. Now it is over 75 days and rising. To estimate how long until cracking takes less than 7 days would require much more historic data be shown on the graph.
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