...in the middle of the cold war.
How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
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Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#22Most western people are very negative about countries like Iran, China and Russia because they are the 'bad guys'. Well this article again shows that there are few countries that will not gain power over dead people. It's sad but true. Now imagine you were living in Iran and came to know about the work of the CIA. Whould you think the USA is the greatest country in the world and democracy is the way to go? I think it…
How do you assess the POV of someone under a regime of control and propaganda from dictators or tyrants? Assume they’re suffering and just hoping for a better tomorrow and you might be wrong. Hostages are known to grow emotions for their captors, after all. And outside attacks on groups lead to in-group insulation and doubling down on beliefs. Studying cultists has shown this trend. So I don’t know. One thing a lot o…
What if you are under a regime without healthcare, loads of homeless people, extreme border patrol and police, and all you hear is that it's the land of opportunities where you can make it?
The above might sound unfair but think about it. I believe there is propaganda in almost every country.
And when oil is gone there will be something else. Probably Artificial Intelligence. Also check out a current trending item in HN about the US limiting the export of AI.
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is harassing all of its coastal neighbours and trying to politically infiltrate just about every major country on the face of the earth. Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling. They don't really fit the same profile as Iran currently does. Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger pl…
"...Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling..." Count how many times US has invaded other countries since 1949 and then come to your senses. I personally know a couple who came to my country from Ukraine because the Ukrainian fascists supported by the US were bombing their neighbourhood and killed their relatives. It was an orchestrated effort to spite Russia using Ukra…
This right here is a first-hand account of the '''good guy''' Russian angle. It nicely demonstrates the point I was making.
Please don't engage with this individual in a flame war.
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is harassing all of its coastal neighbours and trying to politically infiltrate just about every major country on the face of the earth. Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling. They don't really fit the same profile as Iran currently does. Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger pl…
"...Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling..." Count how many times US has invaded other countries since 1949 and then come to your senses. I personally know a couple who came to my country from Ukraine because the Ukrainian fascists supported by the US were bombing their neighbourhood and killed their relatives. It was an orchestrated effort to spite Russia using Ukra…
Nonsense is “Ukrainian fascists shelling locals”. It’s been long suspected and has been confirmed in recent years that “local donbas militia” routinely shelled locals to turn them against Ukrainian army.
The whole conflict started when Russian GRU officer brought a team of Russian military, captured some local buildings and started a revolt. It’s all public info for gods sake, there’s no longer need to spread propaganda about Ukrainian nazis anymore.
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#25Most western people are very negative about countries like Iran, China and Russia because they are the 'bad guys'. Well this article again shows that there are few countries that will not gain power over dead people. It's sad but true. Now imagine you were living in Iran and came to know about the work of the CIA. Whould you think the USA is the greatest country in the world and democracy is the way to go? I think it…
China is harassing all of its coastal neighbours and trying to politically infiltrate just about every major country on the face of the earth. Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling. They don't really fit the same profile as Iran currently does. Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger pl…
> Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger plane, and got away with complete impunity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is harassing all of its coastal neighbours and trying to politically infiltrate just about every major country on the face of the earth. Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling. They don't really fit the same profile as Iran currently does. Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger pl…
> Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger plane, and got away with complete impunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
Someone did something bad.
Therefore it's no longer bad for someone else to do it.
?
I'm not seeing the 'good guy' POV here.
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#27Most western people are very negative about countries like Iran, China and Russia because they are the 'bad guys'. Well this article again shows that there are few countries that will not gain power over dead people. It's sad but true. Now imagine you were living in Iran and came to know about the work of the CIA. Whould you think the USA is the greatest country in the world and democracy is the way to go? I think it…
Can we have a new site rule to not allow straw men?
Well what else can we make of this? The only way forward is to stop judging people and come closer so we can start to understand each other.
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you assess the POV of someone under a regime of control and propaganda from dictators or tyrants? Assume they’re suffering and just hoping for a better tomorrow and you might be wrong. Hostages are known to grow emotions for their captors, after all. And outside attacks on groups lead to in-group insulation and doubling down on beliefs. Studying cultists has shown this trend. So I don’t know. One thing a lot o…
What if you are under a regime without healthcare, loads of homeless people, extreme border patrol and police, and all you hear is that it's the land of opportunities where you can make it? The above might sound unfair but think about it. I believe there is propaganda in almost every country. And when oil is gone there will be something else. Probably Artificial Intelligence. Also check out a current trending item in…
Yes, but to a broader perspective the western world has at least 'some' degree of freedom. The same cannot be said for many parts of the world including much of the middle east
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Feel free to walk me through the 'good guy' point of view of the people who invaded my home country, shot down a passenger plane, and got away with complete impunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
Someone did something bad. Therefore it's no longer bad for someone else to do it. ? I'm not seeing the 'good guy' POV here.
Just pointing out how that description applies equally well to the canonical "good guys" too.
Re: How the CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy in Four Days in 1953 (2019)
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
"...Russia is invading neighbours, actively escalating military tensions and sabre rattling..." Count how many times US has invaded other countries since 1949 and then come to your senses. I personally know a couple who came to my country from Ukraine because the Ukrainian fascists supported by the US were bombing their neighbourhood and killed their relatives. It was an orchestrated effort to spite Russia using Ukra…
This right here is a first-hand account of the '''good guy''' Russian angle. It nicely demonstrates the point I was making. Please don't engage with this individual in a flame war.
Kind of sad the text is gone for lack of reference. You nailed it on the nose.