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Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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What does that value add look like to you? I own a few SaaS sites that I bought (because I don’t have the patience and focus to build one myself) that I then work to increase the value of (based on lessons from a previous SaaS company I worked at), and I’m always interested in private equity arrangements.

How do you go about buying one. How do you get the leads?

"Indiehackers" - community of bootstrap founders, you can find them online... Direct access to business owners. Good place to start!

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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Almost any tech heavy ETF such as XLK or VGT will get you there. 10 year yearly returns are over 15%. For less risk, you could do a total stock market index like VTSAX (10 year returns around 13%.) Nothing is guaranteed or "continuous" though. This is less risky than investing in a single, private company that probably has little liquidity.

Looking at 10 year returns isn't good enough because we have been in a bull market for over ten years. You need to increase the horizon to get more accurate returns

Why would a private SaaS that sells to companies do better than the public markets in bear market? If anything if the market suddenly turns then holding a stake in a company that is illiquid is worse because you can’t sell if you need to.

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that value add look like to you? I own a few SaaS sites that I bought (because I don’t have the patience and focus to build one myself) that I then work to increase the value of (based on lessons from a previous SaaS company I worked at), and I’m always interested in private equity arrangements.

How do you go about buying one. How do you get the leads?

Check out FE International: https://feinternational.com/

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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Investment opportunities that provide 15% return exist in the public markets with easy liquidity options, so what is the benefit of trying to squeeze that out of a private company where you can’t sell unless the company goes public or you try to find a buyer on the secondary market? Unless the company pays out a dividend I don’t see the appeal - usually VCs trade liquidity for the hope of massive returns that aren’t…

Usually, if we're referring to SV VC, but there are others. Bain is notorious for squeezing dividends out of investments and they're categorized as Venture Capital. Traditional private equity, ala Berkshire Hathaway, is still pretty prevalent. There are plenty of self-described VCs who aren't necessarily looking for a 10-100x return amongst 100 small investments, but 2-5x returns across dozens of investments. The vas…

Being a tiny seed fund means you are likely a minority stakeholder in most of the businesses you invest in. To compare what these people are doing with a small amount of capital e.g. $50k to $100k check to Blackstone is a wild stretch.

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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Tiny capital is relative. EDIT: It's also the name of the VC firm. D'oh! Keeping the rest for posterity. Notice how there’s no actual values for what “tiny” means? If you have cash to invest on a VC company, you’re most likely already quite well off, with an equal amount invested in less risky ventures.

Tiny Capital is the name of the VC company.

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost any tech heavy ETF such as XLK or VGT will get you there. 10 year yearly returns are over 15%. For less risk, you could do a total stock market index like VTSAX (10 year returns around 13%.) Nothing is guaranteed or "continuous" though. This is less risky than investing in a single, private company that probably has little liquidity.

Looking at 10 year returns isn't good enough because we have been in a bull market for over ten years. You need to increase the horizon to get more accurate returns

Being (1) private, and (2) moderately-sized, allows you to adapt more quickly - same reason why buyouts of public companies usually end with delisting. Useful thing in a downturn!

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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Remember: Hacker News is not a financial service, and people upvoting articles about financial behaviour is not the same as financial advice. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is, and was probably written by someone who mistook the luck of doing the right thing at the right time for a transferable skill.

boasting about a 15% annual return with an illiquid stake in a early to mid stage private tech company is the opposite of “too good to be true”

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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I think we'll need more examples then just Buffer. Everyone knows Buffer is a successfully bootstrapped company that grew kind of big but not massive.

If the author gave five other examples, then there's a case, but pointing out the one known example doesn't provide enough evidence in my opinion.

A separate point on style and punctuation: too many em dashes in the wrong places.

> What would make Buffer — a good investment?

No need for an em dash here.

> And, if you want to start a get-rich-slow SaaS fund — what is your target maturity?

Same.

> What if, at end of the holding period — investor sells the Buffer stake at market valuation?

Replace em dash with "the".

> But wait… that perpetuity — is a “paper valuation”.

Remove. The ellipsis could be an exclamation point, though it could be in the "personal style" bucket.

I would suggest removing every single em dash and practicing writing without them. They can be useful—for providing inline examples or explanation, for example—but should be used sparingly. Commas, colons, parentheticals, and semicolons can cover most of your use-cases.

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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post #28

I think we'll need more examples then just Buffer. Everyone knows Buffer is a successfully bootstrapped company that grew kind of big but not massive. If the author gave five other examples, then there's a case, but pointing out the one known example doesn't provide enough evidence in my opinion. A separate point on style and punctuation: too many em dashes in the wrong places. > What would make Buffer — a good inves…

I think the author uses these to imply a dramatic pause... like I sometimes do with ellipses. :-)

Re: Sneak peek at future of SaaS investing

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Remember: Hacker News is not a financial service, and people upvoting articles about financial behaviour is not the same as financial advice. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is, and was probably written by someone who mistook the luck of doing the right thing at the right time for a transferable skill.

Creating a 20-years projection based only on data after the crisis of 2008/2009 might not be wise.
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