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ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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This is a welcome development. ProtonMail has worked well for me. Now if I could only find a way to make a Pixel phone accept that email address instead of one of my several one-off fake name gmail addresses that I use for such things.

If memory serves you can create a Google account with your existing email address. They won’t create a gmail account for you, but you can still use other Google services with it. I’m guessing it’s worth trying with your Android phone?

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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I moved over to Fastmail from ProtonMail a few weeks ago. I think if you value the encryption and privacy and don’t mind the lack of basic stuff like threading in the mobile app or IMAP integration, ProtonMail is fully worth it. That said, for me I just want a well featured email/calendar service that can replace gmail once Gewgle fucked us over with Inbox. Fastmail does that for me and provides a lot less friction w…

I'm not even sure it's all that great of a trick, considering that no amount of encryption and security on Proton's own servers or in their app can protect the contents of emails that are sent to (edit: or received from) someone who doesn't use Proton.

I am a current customer and think they've got a really well-done service and app, but lately I've been wondering if it's the privacy equivalent of the Maginot Line.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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post #10

This is a welcome development. ProtonMail has worked well for me. Now if I could only find a way to make a Pixel phone accept that email address instead of one of my several one-off fake name gmail addresses that I use for such things.

You sure you want them linked?

I feel that it is better to have them compartmentalized.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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I'm a bit confused it took Protonmail more than a year yo develop ProtonCalendar. Is it really that difficult to develop?

Calendars are software so directly related to time, I'm not surprised. There are so many edge cases. Timezones, daylight savings time. The fact that so many regions don't use the same standards. We alter year length with leap years and doing things like adding leap seconds. Time is a nightmare to program around.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I did! I thought I was alone. I love when movies do their best to have some sense on the tech side, it could have been an annoying "sending ransom note.." loader instead.

I also saw it, and got a chuckle. I noticed how they were using the mobile web-app version instead of dedicated app. I think its a testament to ProtonMail's popularity, that they get some screentime in a film with such a high-profile cast. Perhaps a techie in the film crew suggested they use it.

The writers likely have a tech-consultant that checks these things. Can't have another NCIS moment.

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Did anyone else notice ProtonMail being used in the movie "Knives Out" to send the ransom note? Cracked me up..

Not that surprising. It was also shown on mr. robot a few years ago.

I would say its more suprising that ProtonMail shows up in a movie like Knives Out (which has no technical content), than it is for it to appear in Mr. Robot (a purposefully technical series, and being underwritten by Michael Bazzel, who is an advocate of ProtonMail).

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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Not so far ago, ProtonMail deleted user account for violation of their ToS by sending email that was reported to PM via their abuse service.

I'm not taking sides here, but the fact that they have done it, is a bit sketchy and doesn't win them more trust vs. competitors.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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I recently left ProtonMail and went back to Fastmail. My reason was that they will never be able to fully support IMAP and now CalDAV because of the encryption they use. I grew to accept that email is not for secure messaging and my paranoia of "I'm being watched" just went away. If you need secure messaging, use something other than email.

I came to a similar conclusion. You should write every email as if it were public, because it's entirely likely that it will be. They can be forwarded, made public through legal discovery, or exposed in a data breach (eg. Sony/North Korea).

Forget security for a second, imagining every email as public record will make you more considerate and less biased writer. And from a business perspective, email should be viewed as a public legal record, because in some cases it will be used that way.

That's not to say that there shouldn't be private messaging options, it's just that email isn't one of them and was never really built to be. PGP was always sort of a tacked on solution with a lot of faults (no forward secrecy, plenty of meta data leakage, usability issues)

All that being said, I still left Gmail for Fastmail. Just because I consider every email I write to be public doesn't mean I want Google getting a free pass to mine and sell my data.

Re: ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar

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I recently left ProtonMail and went back to Fastmail. My reason was that they will never be able to fully support IMAP and now CalDAV because of the encryption they use. I grew to accept that email is not for secure messaging and my paranoia of "I'm being watched" just went away. If you need secure messaging, use something other than email.

> I grew to accept that email is not for secure messaging and my paranoia of "I'm being watched" just went away. Agreed. Even if you use protonmail, google still has most of your email because they have the most of everyone else's.

True, though I still think it's preferable to use for business, purchases, and logins. If I'm using an email besides Gmail, at least it means that I have a shot in that Google won't immediately know that I signed up for X service or made X purchase. Sure, they probably can figure those things out in other ways, but I'm not going to willingly hand everything directly to them.

Part of the reason I use Protonmail(and pay for it) is because I want to support the notion that the web can be made up of different services as opposed to all being calls to .google.com or .facebook.com.

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