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Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by wolfgke » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

kryogen1c wrote: post #11

andybak wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to see a "brutal attack" from the video (although it is unclear). More a fairly typical forced ejection scuffle. I'd like to know more before forming any view. The poster offers email on domains including one named rape.lol so is obviously a charming fellow.

Agreed. Seems like one of those "free speech advocates" that enjoys being as offensive as possible and then howls if anyone tries to take their content down. The video is definitely not a "brutal assault". If the video is bad or incomplete, after pictures of injuries would easily prove his point. Attention-seeking behavior.

> Agreed. Seems like one of those "free speech advocates" that enjoys being as offensive as possible and then howls if anyone tries to take their content down.

In Germany, "free speech" is not so deeply culturally ingrained: in the German Grundgesetz, paragraph 5, there is a concept of "Meinungsfreiheit" (freedom of opinion) (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/art_5.html) which, even though "sufficient for most practical purposes", does not go as far as "free speech" in the USA.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by zxexz » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:37 PM UTC

Flagged, this does not belong here. Let’s not give this guy a platform.

Sounds like the 36c3 staff were well within their rights to evict him, and had good reason to do so. Also, he whined about them going for his phone - the congress is not a place you record or photograph people without their permission.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by glogla » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

Does anyone see the alleged political reason in the post? The only thing I seem to see is that he was asked not to come without a message or something, and now got kicked out.

Is that a political thing?

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by itg » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:40 PM UTC

zxexz wrote: post #22

Flagged, this does not belong here. Let’s not give this guy a platform. Sounds like the 36c3 staff were well within their rights to evict him, and had good reason to do so. Also, he whined about them going for his phone - the congress is not a place you record or photograph people without their permission.

Did you watch the video that was linked? This wasn't an eviction, they started to physically assault him. Fortunately, it looks like the prosecutor has started a case against the assaulters.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by zxexz » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:44 PM UTC

itg wrote: post #24

zxexz wrote: post #22

Flagged, this does not belong here. Let’s not give this guy a platform. Sounds like the 36c3 staff were well within their rights to evict him, and had good reason to do so. Also, he whined about them going for his phone - the congress is not a place you record or photograph people without their permission.

Did you watch the video that was linked? This wasn't an eviction, they started to physically assault him. Fortunately, it looks like the prosecutor has started a case against the assaulters.

What I see in the video looks like security removing somebody from the premises.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by Out_of_Characte » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:44 PM UTC

whatever your stance is on politics, Violence is always the wrong way to resolve verbal conflicts.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by glogla » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:48 PM UTC

itg wrote: post #24

zxexz wrote: post #22

Flagged, this does not belong here. Let’s not give this guy a platform. Sounds like the 36c3 staff were well within their rights to evict him, and had good reason to do so. Also, he whined about them going for his phone - the congress is not a place you record or photograph people without their permission.

Did you watch the video that was linked? This wasn't an eviction, they started to physically assault him. Fortunately, it looks like the prosecutor has started a case against the assaulters.

I think might be a cultural difference? To _physically_ move someone who doesn't want to be move, you have to _physically_ grab them and move them. You usually do this with multiple people, in case the person might get violent or something.

But I know that in some jurisdictions, just grabbing someone, not to mention moving them, is considered assault.

So there's a conflict I guess? I'm not sure how to reconcile this, just be advised that customs around the world differ.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by jsjohnst » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:48 PM UTC

tastroder wrote: post #16

jc01480 wrote: post #12

These events that are identified, are they a local thing in the author’s area? Like BSides to Americans, etc.?

The congress is a yearly multi-day conference organized at the end of each year by the CCC [0] "Europe's largest association of hackers". Not sure how attendance at bsides style conferences is but I'd figure it's more like Black Hat, somewhere around the 17/18k mark for the last year iirc. [0] https://www.ccc.de/en/home edit: ah yes, DEFCON, thanks. I always get those two mixed up.

> but I'd figure it's more like Black Hat

More like DEFCON than Blackhat. Blackhat is a “corporate” conference and expensive to attend, DEFCON and CCC are more community driven and thus affordable.

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by eqvinox » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:51 PM UTC

glogla wrote: post #27

itg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you watch the video that was linked? This wasn't an eviction, they started to physically assault him. Fortunately, it looks like the prosecutor has started a case against the assaulters.

I think might be a cultural difference? To _physically_ move someone who doesn't want to be move, you have to _physically_ grab them and move them. You usually do this with multiple people, in case the person might get violent or something. But I know that in some jurisdictions, just grabbing someone, not to mention moving them, is considered assault. So there's a conflict I guess? I'm not sure how to reconcile this,…

German law covers this in §32 StGB ("emergency defense"), which includes emergency assistance. If people were reasonably convinced that he was threatening others, they're done & out clear.

P.S.: in German law, it's actually a crime to _not_ render assistance to others in danger - StGB §323c ("failure to render assistance")

Re: 36C3 Staff Assaulted Me for Political Reasons

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Post by pnako » Sun, Dec 29, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

zxexz wrote: post #25

itg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you watch the video that was linked? This wasn't an eviction, they started to physically assault him. Fortunately, it looks like the prosecutor has started a case against the assaulters.

What I see in the video looks like security removing somebody from the premises.

It looks like a bunch of teenagers jumping someone. They don't look or behave like professional security agents. The bad chokehold one of them was attempting is actually banned from many police forces.