Germany sounds like corrupted shithole digging deep into Russians ass
Germany Calls for European Firewall Against U.S. Sanctions
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#22This is all about German politicians who've been bought out by Russian interests trying to protect their pet project(s). Speaking as a German, the fact that Germany would rather deal with and be reliant on a country like Russia is, frankly, insane and incredibly shameful. It's as if Ukraine didn't happen, nor Russian interference of elections across the Western world. For all the bad that the US does, at least they d…
Isn’t Germany already reliant on Russia for energy and this is simply about bypassing Ukraine transit in order to develop energy rationing leverage over the region? That has been my understanding thus far could be wrong.
Unfortunately, yes. The Nordstrom project further solidifies that relationship when we should be moving away from it.
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#23Openly calling for cooperation with Russia and China, of all places, should be political suicide. But it seems like the message of 'let's protect ourselves from /insert boogeyman/' still works well enough to muddy public opinion.
The sanctions are there for a reason and saying that you need protection against them is like saying 'well, they did a bad thing and got a slap on the wrist, the obvious conclusion is to keep doing bad things but fend off the slaps'.
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#24This is all about German politicians who've been bought out by Russian interests trying to protect their pet project(s). Speaking as a German, the fact that Germany would rather deal with and be reliant on a country like Russia is, frankly, insane and incredibly shameful. It's as if Ukraine didn't happen, nor Russian interference of elections across the Western world. For all the bad that the US does, at least they d…
> For all the bad that the US does, at least they don't invade and annex European countries, and try to undermine European politics. Another German here. I find Putin and Russia absolutely revolting, but that last part is utter propaganda. The US has meddled in European politics for decades - just take Trump's stupid whining against BMW or Bush/Obama's complaints about NATO budget or us Germans not joining the fun in…
The US has meddled in European politics ever since the World Wars, and if they had not, you'd probably be a Russian.
The US has asked Germany to increase their own defense spending and provide symbolic support for a stupid war. But were there really any consequences when Germany said no? Those are not good examples of the US undermining European politics.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t Germany already reliant on Russia for energy and this is simply about bypassing Ukraine transit in order to develop energy rationing leverage over the region? That has been my understanding thus far could be wrong.
Unfortunately, yes. The Nordstrom project further solidifies that relationship when we should be moving away from it.
The Energiewende will make natural gas prohibitive over time.
That pipeline will be profitable, but I don't see it as a strategic factor (except for Ukraine who can't exert pressure on Russia by withholding deliveries to Western Europe).
On the other hand, building such a "firewall" will also be useful if the US chooses to exert more pressure like that, for example over the EU defense fund not planning to prop up the US military-industrial complex.
The USA became a much less gentle bully on the world stage in the last couple years (predating Trump, so it's not just about him, although his policy making probably accelerates it as well as the international response)
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#26This is all about German politicians who've been bought out by Russian interests trying to protect their pet project(s). Speaking as a German, the fact that Germany would rather deal with and be reliant on a country like Russia is, frankly, insane and incredibly shameful. It's as if Ukraine didn't happen, nor Russian interference of elections across the Western world. For all the bad that the US does, at least they d…
> For all the bad that the US does, at least they don't invade and annex European countries, and try to undermine European politics.
Did you really just post that under an article about how the US is undermining European politics?
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#27Germany's influence over the EU is one of the reasons Brexit Happened, and will likely lead to more nations leaving the EU
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#28This is all about German politicians who've been bought out by Russian interests trying to protect their pet project(s). Speaking as a German, the fact that Germany would rather deal with and be reliant on a country like Russia is, frankly, insane and incredibly shameful. It's as if Ukraine didn't happen, nor Russian interference of elections across the Western world. For all the bad that the US does, at least they d…
> For all the bad that the US does, at least they don't invade and annex European countries, and try to undermine European politics. Did you really just post that under an article about how the US is undermining European politics?
> Did you really just post that under an article about how the US is undermining European politics?
Keyword: Undermined. I feel like you're arguing in bad faith here. I don't see the US undermining anything here except a project that would've made Russia richer and further increased Germany's gas dependence, and by extension political dependence, on Russia. I'd say the project itself was undermining the EU solidarity and unity, and that halting this project is ensuring that Russia doesn't continue to gain more influence over European politics.
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#29Sometimes I wonder if the US and the EU are really friendly to each other.
Probably path dependence as much as anything else.
Re: Germany Calls for European Firewall Against U.S. Sanctions
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, yes. The Nordstrom project further solidifies that relationship when we should be moving away from it.
The Energiewende will make natural gas prohibitive over time. That pipeline will be profitable, but I don't see it as a strategic factor (except for Ukraine who can't exert pressure on Russia by withholding deliveries to Western Europe). On the other hand, building such a "firewall" will also be useful if the US chooses to exert more pressure like that, for example over the EU defense fund not planning to prop up the…
> The Energiewende will make natural gas prohibitive over time.
The Energiewende is laughable in its ambitions though, especially on top of wanting to implement a project like this. Germany has an issue in not being serious about tackling climate change - this is just another example of it.
I'm all for the EU unifying against the US's bullying, but this is something that should've been tackled when the US was undermining the Iran deal over nothing. But suddenly this project has motivated German politicians to push for unity? Really?