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Re: Escaping San Francisco

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I would recommend spending a week or two there first. I was astonished how many crazy and homeless people are on the streets and theft/crime levels (broken windows on cars is now nothing uncommon). Do you want to actually live directly in SF or somewhere in the surrounding cities?

Are those issues only in the downtown area or they extend to the residential areas to the west as well?

Not really in the western neighborhoods except in a few select spots. You can live in those neighborhoods without seeing it except when you go to the grocery store, parts of Golden Gate park, or the beach

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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As someone planning to move to San Francisco from outside the US soon, is living in SF really as bad as all the blogs make it to be? I chose SF mainly because of its proximity to the outdoors (which I value highly) and relative lack of a concrete jungle feeling compared to NYC EDIT: I have visited SF a few times for work before, and found the homelessness and filth to be confined to a few neighborhoods..

All the "SF is a dystopian nightmare" posts are referring to a few downtown neighborhoods which represent probably less than 5% of the city by land area. It's a huge problem and it sucks if you have to go to those areas regularly, but most of the city isn't like that. I live in the Inner Richmond and it's one of the nicest neighborhoods I've ever lived in (I've lived in a bunch all over). The combination of natural beauty, urban amenities, walkability, laid back vibe, etc. is amazing. There are dozens of other neighborhoods with similar qualities to choose from.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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As someone planning to move to San Francisco from outside the US soon, is living in SF really as bad as all the blogs make it to be? I chose SF mainly because of its proximity to the outdoors (which I value highly) and relative lack of a concrete jungle feeling compared to NYC EDIT: I have visited SF a few times for work before, and found the homelessness and filth to be confined to a few neighborhoods..

One of the cliche transplants from SF to NYC: The lack of concrete jungle, and that desire from people both who predated the tech deluge and those who arrived because of it (like you are planning to be) is precisely why it has become as bad as the blogs make it to be.

I think some things are not as bad as the blogs make it be, and many things a lot worse. In the latter category:

- there is now a "fire season". Yes, those precious outdoors, swathes of it gets burned and the beautiful CA air gets filled with smoke from burnt forests, houses and people

- the city is politically paralyzed. Everyone now treats their SF stay as even more temporary (moreso than the natives already complained about before, because now it's crappy to live in for everyone, not just the poor people) = limited investment in political future

- diversity shrinks every year. It gets more white/asian, more male, more single/childless, more tech, and more techie-centric entertainment, and less everything else everyday

- offline businesses are narrowing operation. Not merely "local" and "small" businesses dying, but even chain stores are not able to find staff or attract enough foot traffic because...the city simply doesn't have that many people out and about anymore. Business hours are shrinking, stores are receding to the downtown center streets, and service staff is disappearing. There are hardly 50 stores left in all of SF that are open 24 hours, even my podunk hometown in Oman, Middle East has more.

- the tourist industry is dying. People used to visit and fall in love with SF. Now, they get embarrassed about the state of the city (the more obvious stuff like homelessness, cost of living, filth) and leave trying to forget about this city.

I still love SF, and would love to move back if they can turn the ship around. As a non-US citizen I cannot even vote, and felt utterly helpless in the face of rampant NIMBYism preventing any development, upzoning, housing reform, transit reform, tax reform, homelessness relief, police retraining, non-tech subsidies, etc. But over the course of the 6-7 years I lived there, it went from a "this city is wonderful" love to the kind of love you have for a drug-addled suicidal family member.

It is incredibly relieving to see NYC being run extremely competently in contrast, and while I vaguely miss the weather, imo the summers here are better, the winters perfectly tolerable, seasons are a nice way to keep track of the passage of time, and I can enjoy nature more every time I go out of town.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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It's really sad that in US you have to ask for donations for your healthcare, this is absurd in a country on this level. I live in EU and I have been to US (and SFO) and I feel like live a more comfortable life here in EU. And I live in the "poorer" Slovakia (compared to west EU). I don't need to think about costs if I get sick or injured (+ I get social support in case I can't work during that time).

For the average european citizen?Yeah, maybe, if you consider most of western & central europe.

Then again, as an european, i am not delusional to the fact that our healthcare is not free at all.There are a lot of differences, i guess it matters depending on one's way of living.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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> We eventually discovered the apartment building we were living in was built in 1908. Yes, we were living in a “sick” building that was over 100 years old, and never knew. We even found photos of our former apartment in historical archives dating back to the 1920’s. Is being just a hundred years old some kind of inherent problem? Obviously rotting is bad but they talk about discovering that it existed in 1908 like t…

American houses are made with cheap wood most of the time. Especially when you live in an older home, these are highly attractive to moulds when the building isn't maintained.

They are highly attractive to molds when plumbing leaks all over. Otherwise they are dry as a bone and sag in places. They're also built like shit so floors are wobbly and uneven and bowled in spots. A ball in the living room will roll to the center from any point in the room.

My mother's house was built in 1927 here in Queens NYC and the place is a shit box. After redoing the living room and fixing up the kitchen I can safely say that once that house is sold it will be knocked over. They're just a cheap rickety mess thrown up by the dozens.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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post #3

As someone planning to move to San Francisco from outside the US soon, is living in SF really as bad as all the blogs make it to be? I chose SF mainly because of its proximity to the outdoors (which I value highly) and relative lack of a concrete jungle feeling compared to NYC EDIT: I have visited SF a few times for work before, and found the homelessness and filth to be confined to a few neighborhoods..

Look, everyone who’s happy (like me) with their loving conditions in SF isn’t going to write a blog post about how their apartment is fine.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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This article is literally nonsense, it’s at the same level of medical rigor as an anti-vax rant, and appears to be crafted intentionally to get people susceptible to this kind of narrative to give them money.

I can’t believe it’s being taken seriously here.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would recommend spending a week or two there first. I was astonished how many crazy and homeless people are on the streets and theft/crime levels (broken windows on cars is now nothing uncommon). Do you want to actually live directly in SF or somewhere in the surrounding cities?

Are those issues only in the downtown area or they extend to the residential areas to the west as well?

Never seen this in the Haight, Mission, Noe, really anything west of van ness. You can also not get a car :)

Re: Escaping San Francisco

#30

Is GoFundMe really a popular way to pay for healthcare costs in the US?

Yes. It's very unfortunate. Millions and millions of people are walking around with treatable problems in the USA. We have a severe public health crisis, but the billionaires have a strangehold on our media and politics.
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