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Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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Re: Is the Netherlands becoming a narco-state?

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Post by MrAlex94 »

YawningAngel wrote: post #15
voldacar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

source please sir

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-004-1791-0

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/...

“Our findings suggest that even a first low cumulative dose of Ecstasy is associated with decline in verbal memory. Although the performance of the group of incident Ecstasy users is still within the normal range and the immediate clinical relevance of the observed deficits is limited, long-term negative consequences cannot be excluded.“

I’m curious to see if there are, or have been any studies in the long term effects?

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Post by sandoooo »

TeeWEE wrote: post #13

What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy. Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize…

>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere.

Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

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Post by emptyfile »

himlion wrote: post #9

I hope XTC gets legalized in the Netherlands as soon as possible. One of the ruling parties (D66) is currently investigating a proposal to do so. We are a very large producer (the largest?) and the stuff is not harmful enough to warrant the prohibition and all of the crime it entails.

Oh cmon. I live in Europe and I'm all for legalizing drugs, all drugs, but only a few popular drugs come to my mind which are more harmful then MDMA...

Americans can talk about how harmful fake MDMA is and how you can manage risk better if it's legal. But anyone living in Europe, where there's loads of high quality stuff selling for a few euros per dose, and socialising with other users can easily see the harm it does.

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Post by paganel »

> They are aspirational, they are looking for a career in the underworld.

I bet they would have been really happy to become corporate lawyers, highly paid computer programmers or big-4 accountants, but I have a slight feeling those career opportunities were never quite open for them (except for a very lucky few). In other words, if you only provide a "life of crime" as a way of getting out of poverty you can be sure that there be will lots and lots of people choosing that. And who can blame them?

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Post by batuhanicoz »

sandoooo wrote: post #22
TeeWEE wrote: post #13

What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy. Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize…

>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

One time I was in Amsterdam, a guy approached us and pretty bluntly asked if we need any cocaine. That was pretty telling.

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Post by rocgf »

sandoooo wrote: post #22
TeeWEE wrote: post #13

What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy. Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize…

>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

Tell your friend to not buy drugs from the street in Amsterdam. Those drugs may not be what you think they are.

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Post by mrsuprawsm »

sandoooo wrote: post #22
TeeWEE wrote: post #13

What also doesnt help is that drugs is kind-a accepted in the party scene. XTC, Cocaine, in certain circles its quite normal that its used. And buying it is very easy. Also the police doesn't prioritize handling this. I heard that accross one police station taxis would stop, get somebody in the cart, drive 100m, and then the person gets out. The police knew that drugs was being dealed here, but they didnt prioritize…

>everybody who know how to recognize them will see them popup everywhere. Just out of curiosity, what are the tells for a drug dealer in Amsterdam? Asking for a friend.

I would not buy drugs on the street in Amsterdam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Amsterdam_drug_deaths
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