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Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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>That doesn't extrapolate to better products or better anything. Agreed. So maybe we should be asking how Apple is growing faster than Nokia with fewer resources?

Nokia suffers from the mythical man-month. They've only recently discovered that throwing 6,000 engineers at Symbian didn't make it better.

But to be fair - they have now hired another 6000 HR managers to work out why not

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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There's some room for complaining about the "smartphone" classification. Most Symbian-based phones would not qualify as smartphones in the US. I'm on my third, and they're pretty smart, but not having touchscreens really puts them in a separate market segment. And those phones run Qt, too, which this analysis lumps in with MeeGo. So, if you counted up just the people Nokia has working on touchscreen phones, you might…

>On Android, voice dialing requires you pull out the phone and press a button

That might be a quirk on your particular model of phone or headset, or maybe it was fixed with 2.2. The N1 definitely supports the headset button for voice commands.

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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Am I the only one that finds Asymco to be transparent and unsubtle pandering? Nokia's got higher R&D than Apple, but Apple's got higher profits, so Nokia are stupid and Apple are smart. If Nokia had lower R&D than Apple, then Apple would still have higher profits, so Nokia would still be stupid and Apple smart. So how is this any different from his other 900 posts pointing out that Apple have high profits? What analy…

It tells you something about how the competition is doing, and a particular area where Apple excels.

Knowing how Apple compares to the competition, and what they do differently, is interesting.

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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post #9

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Nokia suffers from the mythical man-month. They've only recently discovered that throwing 6,000 engineers at Symbian didn't make it better.

But to be fair - they have now hired another 6000 HR managers to work out why not

That's not very fair :-)

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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post #21

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But to be fair - they have now hired another 6000 HR managers to work out why not

That's not very fair :-)

Don't worry they have set up a series of "Strategy Boutiques" (seriously!) to get over it

http://www.slideshare.net/whatidiscover/open-innovation-in-a...

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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In my mind, this proves how important it is to hire people that can hit the high notes The Creative Zen team could spend years refining their ugly iPod knockoffs and never produce as beautiful, satisfying, and elegant a player as the Apple iPod. And they're not going to make a dent in Apple's market share because the magical design talent is just not there. They don't have it. The mediocre talent just never hits the…

I don't disagree but when you say this "proves" that point I'm not sure that's true. You can just as easily hire people that can "hit the high notes" and fail because of mismanagement. The best example of this is Apple's Copland (a.k.a. System 8) Operating System. To quote Wikipedia...

At WWDC '96, Apple's new CEO, Gil Amelio, used the keynote to talk almost exclusively about Copland, now known as System 8. He repeatedly stated that it was the only focus of Apple engineering and that it would ship to developers at the end of summer with a full release planned for late fall.

(Source: http://tinyurl.com/2lrwzd)

So even with the entirety of Apple's engineering resources devoted to it this project still collapsed. As far as we know Nokia could be in the same boat with a bunch of high note hitters being held down by poor management.

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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There's some room for complaining about the "smartphone" classification. Most Symbian-based phones would not qualify as smartphones in the US. I'm on my third, and they're pretty smart, but not having touchscreens really puts them in a separate market segment. And those phones run Qt, too, which this analysis lumps in with MeeGo. So, if you counted up just the people Nokia has working on touchscreen phones, you might…

>On Android, voice dialing requires you pull out the phone and press a button That might be a quirk on your particular model of phone or headset, or maybe it was fixed with 2.2. The N1 definitely supports the headset button for voice commands.

That's nice to know, since I'm hoping to get an NS One Of These Days.

(I know it's not the headset, since it's the same one I used to use with my Nokia, and it worked fine. But I could well believe it was a problem with the phone.)

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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In my mind, this proves how important it is to hire people that can hit the high notes The Creative Zen team could spend years refining their ugly iPod knockoffs and never produce as beautiful, satisfying, and elegant a player as the Apple iPod. And they're not going to make a dent in Apple's market share because the magical design talent is just not there. They don't have it. The mediocre talent just never hits the…

I don't disagree but when you say this "proves" that point I'm not sure that's true. You can just as easily hire people that can "hit the high notes" and fail because of mismanagement. The best example of this is Apple's Copland (a.k.a. System 8) Operating System. To quote Wikipedia... At WWDC '96, Apple's new CEO, Gil Amelio, used the keynote to talk almost exclusively about Copland, now known as System 8. He repeat…

There are 10x managers just like there are 10x engineers.

Re: Nokia has as many people for smartphone software as Apple does for all products

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The N900 certainly wasn't cheap. In fact, the fact that I'd have to shell out another few hundred for a replacement smartphone is the only reason I haven't thrown it against a wall. I have it overclocked, and it's still dog slow. :(

Do you have the latest Maemo version? It made it a lot faster.

I think I do: 20.2010.36-2.002

A bit of searching didn't tell me what the latest Maemo is supposed to be, but did imply that it was released last October, so I'm sure it would have popped up for install by now.

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