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How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Disclaimer: former OVH employee > Although many cloud providers have pledged to decarbonize their data centers, none have ditched fossil fuels entirely Most datacenters in France are located close to nuclear power plants and only run on fossil fuels in case of a prolonged power outage. To me this is as carbon neutral as it gets.

I don't mean to nitpick, but wouldn't "as carbon neutral as it gets" be zero reliance on fossil fuels, even for backup?

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Disclaimer: former OVH employee > Although many cloud providers have pledged to decarbonize their data centers, none have ditched fossil fuels entirely Most datacenters in France are located close to nuclear power plants and only run on fossil fuels in case of a prolonged power outage. To me this is as carbon neutral as it gets.

Are they just located there, or have dedicated connections? If they're just close, but on the standard grid, does the location really matter?

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Disclaimer: former OVH employee > Although many cloud providers have pledged to decarbonize their data centers, none have ditched fossil fuels entirely Most datacenters in France are located close to nuclear power plants and only run on fossil fuels in case of a prolonged power outage. To me this is as carbon neutral as it gets.

I don't mean to nitpick, but wouldn't "as carbon neutral as it gets" be zero reliance on fossil fuels, even for backup?

Perhaps that’s not currently feasible, and thus you can’t ”get there” yet?

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Disclaimer: former OVH employee > Although many cloud providers have pledged to decarbonize their data centers, none have ditched fossil fuels entirely Most datacenters in France are located close to nuclear power plants and only run on fossil fuels in case of a prolonged power outage. To me this is as carbon neutral as it gets.

I don't mean to nitpick, but wouldn't "as carbon neutral as it gets" be zero reliance on fossil fuels, even for backup?

>as it gets

It's "as it gets" that's doing the heavy lifting here.

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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In a hypothetical society that might be the case. In our situation though, we have large countries like India, Indonesia and perhaps some African countries, that will need to grow their energy consumption per capita and it is unlikely that this energy will come only from renewables or nuclear. So it seems to me to that it will get worse before it will get better. It's just difficult to tell them to restrict their eco…

It is unlikely that energy growth in India and China will be met with renewables and nuclear only because there is insufficient political will to help or force them to do so. They build coal plants because that's the cheapest option. Politics can change that.

Looking at the geopolitical trends it seems that global consensus is waning, and that is why I think it will get worse before it will get better. Humans respond to crisis better than they respond to future imagined dangers. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to improve that, and developed economies should take a lead with that. But I think the only way to make developing economies take action is if developed economies take a lead and set an example. If people in the USA and Europe drive suv's (just a silly example) you can't possibly expect India (and others) to not burn coal and other fossil fuels to electrify and industrialise their economies. We have a long way ahead of us to get out of this rut and saying that we only need political will to solve the problem makes it sound easy.

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to nitpick, but wouldn't "as carbon neutral as it gets" be zero reliance on fossil fuels, even for backup?

>as it gets It's "as it gets" that's doing the heavy lifting here.

Agreed. And "it" is the real workhorse - is "it" carbon neutrality or datacenter power supply?

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Google at least claiming to buy 100% of their usage from renewable sources, they are pretty open that it doesn't mean that is what feeds their electrons at all times of the day though. Better than most traditional computing / on premises sources though. https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/renewable/

Something that I have also heard is that as well as just purchasing renewable energy, Google is also offsetting the carbon from their entire operations. So e.g. they calculate the average employee commute carbon emissions, or the carbon emitted in the supply chain for getting the free sushi to employee's mouths etc and offset that too.

I like that if it is true. I can't find anything specific on their report (1) - it is kinda vague: they say they're using renewable energy and are carbon-neutral in the same sentence, so not sure if that is just energy or the entire operation.

1 - https://sustainability.google/reports/environmental-report-2...

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Disclaimer: former OVH employee > Although many cloud providers have pledged to decarbonize their data centers, none have ditched fossil fuels entirely Most datacenters in France are located close to nuclear power plants and only run on fossil fuels in case of a prolonged power outage. To me this is as carbon neutral as it gets.

Are they just located there, or have dedicated connections? If they're just close, but on the standard grid, does the location really matter?

Electricty in France is low carbon.

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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proposed solutions: > Increased energy efficiency on component level > Increased energy efficiency on data center level Why no “Increased efficiency on software level”? Is it simpler to throw hardware (and money, energy, carbon emissions) at the problem than find better solutions?

Disclaimer: I'm the author of the piece.

If you read the very last paragraph, I actually propose increased efficiency on software level as a way to lower energy consumption. The two other (component and data center level) are things us as developers usually have little or no control over, they were merely used to illustrate that the industry as a whole is working on the problem, and that you as a developer actually can contribute.

Re: How cloud computing impacts the environment

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Low Tech Magazine's piece "Why We Need a Speed Limit for the Internet: The energy use of the internet can only stop growing when energy sources run out, unless we impose self-chosen limits." https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/10/can-the-internet-r... covers this situation from a systemic perspective, realizing problems in meeting every energy need without considering alternatives.
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