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Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

#21
I get that some people don't like this.

But the reality is that schools are a lot more dangerous than they were just 10 years ago.

If our response to that shouldn't be cameras and backpack checks, then what's an appropriate response? (Perhaps the bigger picture political answer is "gun control", but that's not something schools can sit around a wait for to happen)

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

#22
post #6

Unpopular opinion: make private gun ownership illegal instead of forcing kids to be monitored to make sure they're not carrying

Unpopular opinion: basically no one dies by guns in schools so don't even bother with clear backpacks.

Part of the problem is not just the actual risk, but the perception of risk. People deserve to not feel like they are going to be shot when they show up to an educational institution, and that feeling has been withering away lately

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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post #21

I get that some people don't like this. But the reality is that schools are a lot more dangerous than they were just 10 years ago. If our response to that shouldn't be cameras and backpack checks, then what's an appropriate response? (Perhaps the bigger picture political answer is "gun control", but that's not something schools can sit around a wait for to happen)

Does this actually help? How come a simple metal detector wasn't enough?

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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post #21

I get that some people don't like this. But the reality is that schools are a lot more dangerous than they were just 10 years ago. If our response to that shouldn't be cameras and backpack checks, then what's an appropriate response? (Perhaps the bigger picture political answer is "gun control", but that's not something schools can sit around a wait for to happen)

> But the reality is that schools are a lot more dangerous than they were just 10 years ago.

Do you have a source for this?

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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> This level of surveillance is “not too over-the-top”, Ingrid said, and she feels her classmates are generally “accepting” of it. Of course they think that, they’re still kids. Who’s going to protect them from surveillance? IMO this is way over the top - and it’s conditioning future generations to accept this level of surveillance as adults.

I agree that it is way over-the-top.

Counterpoint to your conditioning point: kids tend to rebel against oversight, and will probably include this in the list of things they reject.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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post #2

> This level of surveillance is “not too over-the-top”, Ingrid said, and she feels her classmates are generally “accepting” of it. Of course they think that, they’re still kids. Who’s going to protect them from surveillance? IMO this is way over the top - and it’s conditioning future generations to accept this level of surveillance as adults.

Agreed. And I wonder if the answer would be different if they asked parents instead of kids (who remember having regular, metal knives at school cafeterias; being able to bring a folding knife to school; etc.). It seems to me that that public acceptance of such surveillance is a side effect of the mainstream media pushing scares and sensationalist coverage (because this is the only thing they have a chance of selling…

If only the media were less sensational kids would not be under constant surveillance by the technology that HN posters are helping to develop.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

#28
post #14
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Force schools to quantify this risk against others. More kids die cycling to school than by guns.

Do clear backpacks increase the risk of dying from cycling?

No, but if we're forcing the kids to have clear backpacks because of an infinitesimal risk, we should ban them from biking to school, being driven to school and playing in the school football team.

Which is ridiculous.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

#29

THIS IS NOT OKAY. We can't have children being used to constant surveillance and accepting this as a part of life. It sets them up for so many problems in the future, where they won't understand the serious implications of constant tracking and surveillance. And sure, nothing too bad comes out of this stuff right now in most of the world, but have you seen China? The minute a government decides to do so, all that dat…

Which bit of this are you upset with specifically? Monitoring internet access on school devices? That's been standard in every single school and workplace for decades.

The clear backpacks are silly I'll admit, and also pointless. I agree that kids getting conditioned to be okay with surveillance is bad, but this is all coming from the private sector right now.

In China, you now have to submit your face to be scanned into a database to get a new phone. This has already been normalized by all the face swapping apps, like Zao. Kids in the west wouldn't think twice about accepting the Ts and C's for Snapchat or IG or anything else that includes face scanning tech.

Re: Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

#30
post #21

I get that some people don't like this. But the reality is that schools are a lot more dangerous than they were just 10 years ago. If our response to that shouldn't be cameras and backpack checks, then what's an appropriate response? (Perhaps the bigger picture political answer is "gun control", but that's not something schools can sit around a wait for to happen)

schools are safer across the board than ten years ago (all violent crime has been declining for all groups for 30 years); there are actually fewer shootings than there were in the 90s despite the media narrative. technology simply follows its own logic of control unless there are hard constraints.
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