Virgil Griffith arrested over North Korea: engineer arrogance, on the blockchain

Post by sbierwagen » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 2:47 AM UTC

davidgerard wrote: post #11

AlexCoventry wrote: post #8

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> There is something deeply toxic that has infected our community. I am still not quite able to see it in its entirety, though I can see its edges and when people get infected by it its obvious. I think SlateStarCodex(!) said it well, recently: > Rationalists wasted years worrying about various named biases, like the conjunction fallacy or the planning fallacy. But most of the problems we really care about aren’t any…

Given SSC, its subreddit and its (Scott-recommended) offshoot /r/themotte, this is a case of the beam in one's own eye. Same problem with LessWrong - the best of Yudkowsky refutes the typical of Yudkowsky.

Are there global warming denialists on r/SSC?

Are there so many global warming denialists on r/SSC that it repudiates the concept of rationality?

Post by cyril_figgis » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

api wrote: post #14

tptacek wrote: post #7

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You should absolutely write this post!

Yes I should. Here is one of several important bits: Eugenics fundamentally won't work because you're replacing the environment as the learning target with the system's own model of fitness. You are saying "it is fit because the fit say it's fit." The result of eugenics over a long period of time would be random drift into oblivion as the goal function chases itself as the objective. Had Hitler won and the Nazis impl…

>An AI could copy the human brain to achieve human-level AI, but beyond that there are no roads so our hypothetical super-mind is confronted by bignum^bignum combinatorial search problems.

If you can copy human minds into a machine-world, then you can copy the most intelligent human minds. The most intelligent humans are pretty darn smart, and with no obligations, a surfeit of time, and effective immortality, they may make short work of your claims that intelligence can't be effectively bootstrapped.

It's difficult to imagine the inner lives of people much smart than we are. So neither of us can imagine a world occupied by persons belonging to a 300 IQ race of supermen, but there are presently 200 IQ persons, if only as genetic anomalies, and technology already exists sufficient to replicate them an almost arbitrary number of times.

The future's so bright I gotta wear shades.

Re: Virgil Griffith arrested over North Korea: engineer arrogance, on the blockchain

Re: Virgil Griffith arrested over North Korea: engineer arrogance, on the blockchain