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Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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In comparison, about 70% of the sugar in an apple is fructose (most of the rest being glucose). Apples are probably the fruit highest in fructose relative to other sugars. Most fruits (and honey and carrots) hover around 50% fructose. Cherries are probably the fruit with the lowest amount, at 30%.

One fun thing I learned is that Germans often call glucose Traubenzucker, which literally translates as cherry sugar.

It translates as 'grape sugar' though... German for cherry is Kirsche.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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In comparison, about 70% of the sugar in an apple is fructose (most of the rest being glucose). Apples are probably the fruit highest in fructose relative to other sugars. Most fruits (and honey and carrots) hover around 50% fructose. Cherries are probably the fruit with the lowest amount, at 30%.

One fun thing I learned is that Germans often call glucose Traubenzucker, which literally translates as cherry sugar.

Traubenzucker translates to grape sugar.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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What’s the causal direction here? Do teens get obese in part because their impulse control centers malfunction? Or does being obese for years cause those parts of the brain to stop working correctly?

Richard P. Bentall makes convincing argument that happiness is a psychiatric disorder.† Notably Caesar was said to prefer the company of fat men, with the implied causation that happy -> fat. One also sees this in the weight gain usually caused by SSRIs. At the same time obesity has well measured effects on many metabolic processes, so it is likely there is some effect on the brain. † [PDF] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…

That’s a super interesting essay, but I think the point is more that depression is not a psychiatric disorder.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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I'm pretty sure that the "high-fructose" part of the name is relative to an older process for producing corn syrup, rather than being relative to other sources of sugar. Some forms of HFCS are less than 50% fructose and are still called HFCS.

In comparison, about 70% of the sugar in an apple is fructose (most of the rest being glucose). Apples are probably the fruit highest in fructose relative to other sugars. Most fruits (and honey and carrots) hover around 50% fructose. Cherries are probably the fruit with the lowest amount, at 30%.

I'd like to mention that if you're interested in looking at more information like this then the US Department of Agriculture has a great database for it:

https://fdc.nal.usda.gov

I recommend searching for things such as "apple, raw".

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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If you do not use muscles regularly the nerves that control them won’t fire intelligently and you will stumble around like a buffoon. I’ve certainly never met an obese person with precise body mechanics.

I know obese people who are really great dancers. In the social dance world heavier people are typically above-average or great dancers. This isn't to say obese people are better dancers in general - just that people are prejudiced against obese dancers, and anyone who can deal with that kind of prejudice has to be really good and motivated to keep showing up.

Yes this is a survivorship bias I would say.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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Richard P. Bentall makes convincing argument that happiness is a psychiatric disorder.† Notably Caesar was said to prefer the company of fat men, with the implied causation that happy -> fat. One also sees this in the weight gain usually caused by SSRIs. At the same time obesity has well measured effects on many metabolic processes, so it is likely there is some effect on the brain. † [PDF] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…

I was going to joke about happy stoned people, but: Recreational marijuana use impacts white matter integrity and subcortical (but not cortical) morphometry https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4925620/

Can someone please ELI5 on the meaning of these things? Googling around just sends me down a scholarly rabbit hole of more words I don't understand.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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If you do not use muscles regularly the nerves that control them won’t fire intelligently and you will stumble around like a buffoon. I’ve certainly never met an obese person with precise body mechanics.

I know obese people who are really great dancers. In the social dance world heavier people are typically above-average or great dancers. This isn't to say obese people are better dancers in general - just that people are prejudiced against obese dancers, and anyone who can deal with that kind of prejudice has to be really good and motivated to keep showing up.

From my experience when I was teaching yoga classes there were different kinds of obese people. Some were super flexible and very good at moving their large body around in a world that didn't accommodate them whereas others had zero body awareness, were stiff and could barely move. There are different reasons why somebody is of a certain body type. Some skinny people are anorexic, weak and have no understanding of their body. Others are skinny because they are super fit. Superficially they look the same but are actually totally different.

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This is purely anecdotal. I have found that obese clients have a much harder time grasping the theoretical foundation for diving than fit fit clients. I am not talking about the fitness tests, but understanding the underlying physical principles of the sport. This has become enough of an issue that I ask about level of fitness prior to scheduling courses due to need to budget additional time for unfit clients in the…

If you do not use muscles regularly the nerves that control them won’t fire intelligently and you will stumble around like a buffoon. I’ve certainly never met an obese person with precise body mechanics.

I had an obese yoga teacher. She was just as good at the moves as any other yoga teacher I've had. Was pretty surprising.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to joke about happy stoned people, but: Recreational marijuana use impacts white matter integrity and subcortical (but not cortical) morphometry https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4925620/

Can someone please ELI5 on the meaning of these things? Googling around just sends me down a scholarly rabbit hole of more words I don't understand.

I did that once to a paper that I don't understand. That is, I read and look up stuff until I think I understood things.

I learned a lot by doing that. But it took a lot of work, and I forgotten most of it if it wasn't added to anki. Good thing that I wrote it down in my notes.

Re: Decrease of White Matter Integrity in Obese Adolescents [pdf]

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If you do not use muscles regularly the nerves that control them won’t fire intelligently and you will stumble around like a buffoon. I’ve certainly never met an obese person with precise body mechanics.

I had an obese yoga teacher. She was just as good at the moves as any other yoga teacher I've had. Was pretty surprising.

It’s possible but not optimal. The same instructor in a lithe body could do so much more.
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