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Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by konschubert »

gorgoiler wrote: post #18
konschubert wrote: post #14

Telcos should focus on being dump pipes and leave the application layer to others. Going into messages or even content is nothing but a rent seeking attempt to exploit a missing net neutrality mandate.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholder…

That’s where regulation comes in.

Companies, in particular companies that run infrastructure through public spaces, don’t exist in a vacuum.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by XMPPwocky »

lucb1e wrote: post #17
konschubert wrote: post #14

Telcos should focus on being dump pipes and leave the application layer to others. Going into messages or even content is nothing but a rent seeking attempt to exploit a missing net neutrality mandate.

I don't really care who sets it up, but since everyone that is currently on facebook chat (be it Messenger or WhatsApp) is also a customer of some mobile carrier, having the carriers create an alternative is not a completely ridiculous idea when we want to make the chat infrastructure distributed/federated. I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture; RCS seems to be the way I'll…

I mean, imagine a world where your ISP gives you an email address too- doesn't really make sense.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by detaro »

XMPPwocky wrote: post #22
lucb1e wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really care who sets it up, but since everyone that is currently on facebook chat (be it Messenger or WhatsApp) is also a customer of some mobile carrier, having the carriers create an alternative is not a completely ridiculous idea when we want to make the chat infrastructure distributed/federated. I'd be happy to MMS my uncle if it didn't cost like two euros per 640x480 picture; RCS seems to be the way I'll…

I mean, imagine a world where your ISP gives you an email address too- doesn't really make sense.

That was completely normal.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by gimmedanger »

notlukesky wrote: post #3

When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by Varriount »

gimmedanger wrote: post #27
notlukesky wrote: post #3

When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

Not that I agree 100% with the parent poster, but your argument is flawed. ISPs are only part of the enormous tech stack that is required for the internet to work.

The fact that things do work doesn't mean that ISPs are doing everything correctly, not that there isn't reason for complaint or improvement. Just look at the state of the related infrastructure, both technological and political, in the US and elsewhere.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by faitswulff »

tus88 wrote: post #15

Successor according to who?

From the SR Labs post on the topic:

> In the second half of 2019, Google and a group of mobile operators started implementing a new communication technology, Rich Communication Services...In June 2019, Google officially announced their plans to push RCS on all Android phones starting with trials being run in UK and France. Fast-forward to November 2019, RCS is being rolled out to all Android users in the US, and operators in other countries are running trials.

https://srlabs.de/bites/rcs-hacking/

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#30

Post by unishark »

konschubert wrote: post #21
gorgoiler wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholder…

That’s where regulation comes in. Companies, in particular companies that run infrastructure through public spaces, don’t exist in a vacuum.

neither do regulatory agencies, unfortunately. Which is why they are so good at making things worse rather than better.
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