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Thousand year-old windmills in Iran (2017)

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As an Iranian, this is the first time I hear about these windmills! Unfortunately, the only source of info about them is this National Geography video. There is no exclusive page for them on wikipedia, but I could find how they work generally here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panemone_windmill

That wiki page suggests that the sails are articulated? In the video these are very much fixed sails - looks like battens of woods lashed or nailed together so I don't think the sails themselves can turn. I do wonder which way the prevailing wind is for those windmills though as they are surrounded by walls. The knee jerk reaction is that the wind comes "face on" but then surely there would not be a turning force if…

They look surprisingly similar to a modern vertical axis wind turbine, although without the "lift" shape to the blades.

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Fascinating how these windmills come across as a symbiosis between man and nature. They’re an integral part of the landscape, part of the culture (or used to be), and harness the local environment to produce something. Same goes for rice terraces, vineyards, etc. And yet I see many people complain about us sticking wind turbines on top of hills. One can only imagine how the Iranian wind wills were received a thousand…

People whinge about new things. You don't see anyone complaining that the pyramids are an eyesore or the Arc de Triomphe is a waste of taxpayers' money.

The Eiffel Tower wasn’t well received at first, now it’s a part of Parisian identity.

Gotta love that cycle.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wiki page suggests that the sails are articulated? In the video these are very much fixed sails - looks like battens of woods lashed or nailed together so I don't think the sails themselves can turn. I do wonder which way the prevailing wind is for those windmills though as they are surrounded by walls. The knee jerk reaction is that the wind comes "face on" but then surely there would not be a turning force if…

I would guess the wind blows into the slit, driving just one side of the paddle.

Hmm yes of course :) So in the videos we are seeing the "back" of the windmills.

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post #11

There's likely an interesting Ship of Theseus debate to be had about whether these are indeed thousand-year-old windmills, and whether it's accurate to consider the windmills build a thousand years ago to be "still standing".

And of course there is a “Wait but Why” article about that...

PS: scroll down to “Continuity”

https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/12/what-makes-you-you.html

Re: Thousand year-old windmills in Iran (2017)

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post #11

There's likely an interesting Ship of Theseus debate to be had about whether these are indeed thousand-year-old windmills, and whether it's accurate to consider the windmills build a thousand years ago to be "still standing".

relevant -> https://lullabydust.tumblr.com/post/65438836771/john-dies-at...

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They also have incredible underground aqueducts that have been maintained for thousands of years. Smart people.

The distance these cover and the depth they tunnel into mountains is part of what makes them incredible, in case the description of underground aquaducts doesn't sound cool enough.

True! :) I first learnt of them years back on TV - think it was a Channel 4 (UK broadcast channel) documentary, in which they sent a British academic into somewhat hazardous situations. He walked underground along one of these tunnels. Haven't been able to find the documentary since, unfortunately.

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There's likely an interesting Ship of Theseus debate to be had about whether these are indeed thousand-year-old windmills, and whether it's accurate to consider the windmills build a thousand years ago to be "still standing".

"This is not the same river! All the water is new!"

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They also have incredible underground aqueducts that have been maintained for thousands of years. Smart people.

3000 years old: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/05/iran-qanat-i... > The technology spread, through Silk Road trade and Muslim conquest, and qanats can be found as far as Morocco and Spain.

Petra in Jordan also has water system although not tunnels.
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