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Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by rumanator »

javajosh wrote: post #13
ailideex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> artificial scarcity for software Can you elaborate on this? Why would you say there is artificial scarcity for software?

Software costs ~0 to copy and distribute absolutely perfect copies, world-wide. To drive the price up you create artificial scarcity, mostly rooted in IP law. Important note for HN readers: 'driving the price up' is a net benefit for programmers. Artificial scarcity is why you get paid big bucks. Interestingly, data is legitimately scarce. But that's a discussion for another time...

Copy and distribution costs are just a part of the cost. Development and maintenance does require real flesh and blood people spending their days working on developing, building, and deployment. That part costs money.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by gabrielblack »

what if I tell you that a software banks (B-A-N-K-S) are using to transfer money has hardwired passwords inside, has to run as administrator and has some problems of command injection, etc, etc ... etc ? Sadly company think to security as a cost and to maximize the profit let people should never approach a keyboard to write programs, unsecure programs, because they cost less. Because also testing is expensive, same story. Did a big airplane manufacturer does the same ? The customers ? Who takes decision often doesn't care: they prefer to spend more money to purchase a scapegoat, a "silver bullet" appliance so that they can say "Hey, we had all the contromeasure, but hackers know black magic !". I don't want to burn-out. I prefer to give the correct information to the peoples want to listen and then I hope in a future in a better company.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by NetOpWibby »

travbrack wrote: post #19
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #8

I think this person should seek happiness in ways that don't involve technology.

They’re expecting greatness from everyone around them. That would drive me crazy as well. My mental health is too important to be idealistic anymore.

When I was in my early 20s I couldn’t understand why people were so jaded about anything. A decade later and, I understand.

People don’t give a damn and it’s mind-boggling. All you can do is shake your head and continue with your day.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by raducu »

Simon321 wrote: post #18

If you work in security, this resonates so much. No one really cares about security except to check a box or pay lip service to it. That's why so called security products ship without logging and clients don't want to make the smallest effort to enable you to improve their security. It's why companies that sell security products invest more in marketing than the product. The industry is full of conmen and marketeers.…

I work as a contractor for a bank.

A few months ago everybody was up in arms about a "major" security issue discovered by an auditor (you could see the settings of random users by changing an id in a url). I've just shown them you can credit money to your account, yet this is low priority and they provided a fix that I'm 100% percent sure didn't fix anything, unfortunately the functionality is down on all but the production environment. I'm tempted to just credit myself 1 monetary unit in production and just show them the statement.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by Iv »

isodude wrote: post #14

I asked my SO recently how she view the Internet, what it is and how it works. She was honest and told me that, "If I click this button, this websites loads. If that works I'm fine! If it doesn't I will call you. Don't stop working with IT please, if you get it, we need you badly!" I believe that is a good reason to be accepting towards the current state of affairs. People just don't care. They have more important is…

Thing is, it took me a long time to accept that people not caring was ok.

Now I realize that my dad is frustrated I never learned something as simple as changing the oil on my car.

My mom does not understand how I can't name more than two flowers and can't bake a pie.

My legal-minded friends are astounded I do not take a day to work on my legal status to pay less taxes. Hell, my wife does the paperwork I am not even sure of the tax rate we are paying.

And yet, I see myself as pretty curious, jack of all trade. I understand many things about CS, mechanics, electronics, manufacturing, politics, economics, ecology... We live in a complex world and we rely on each other to make it work.

Love each other, we really depend on each other, it is easier if we don't consider others stupid for choosing different areas of skills.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by javajosh »

rumanator wrote: post #21
javajosh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software costs ~0 to copy and distribute absolutely perfect copies, world-wide. To drive the price up you create artificial scarcity, mostly rooted in IP law. Important note for HN readers: 'driving the price up' is a net benefit for programmers. Artificial scarcity is why you get paid big bucks. Interestingly, data is legitimately scarce. But that's a discussion for another time...

Copy and distribution costs are just a part of the cost. Development and maintenance does require real flesh and blood people spending their days working on developing, building, and deployment. That part costs money.

You tacitly assume that I am not aware that software products have an R&D cost, and you are (insultingly) wrong. Of course they do. And without artificial scarcity that R&D cost will not be recouped. The default state of software is an open source model, where the "developing, building, and deployment" doesn't cost money because there isn't any.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by nvrspyx »

gabrielblack wrote: post #22

what if I tell you that a software banks (B-A-N-K-S) are using to transfer money has hardwired passwords inside, has to run as administrator and has some problems of command injection, etc, etc ... etc ? Sadly company think to security as a cost and to maximize the profit let people should never approach a keyboard to write programs, unsecure programs, because they cost less. Because also testing is expensive, same s…

I assume English isn't your first language, so this is my attempt to correct. Please don't take this as a criticism, but rather as (hopefully) helpful feedback. Even with English as my native language, I'm sure there's some grammar mistake I've made as well.

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What if I told you that the software banks are using to transfer money has passwords hardwired inside, has to be run as administrator, has some command injection problems, etc.? Sadly companies think of security as a cost and to maximize their profit, they let people who should never even approach a keyboard write insecure programs because they cost less. Because testing is also expensive, it's the same story. Did a big airplane manufacturer do the same? Their customers? Who makes the decision often doesn't care. They prefer to spend more money to purchase a scapegoat, or a "silver bullet" appliance, so that they can say, "Hey, we had all of the countermeasures, but hackers know black magic!". I don't want to burn out. I prefer to give the correct information to the people that want to listen and then hope for a better company in the future.

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Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by isodude »

isodude wrote: post #14

I asked my SO recently how she view the Internet, what it is and how it works. She was honest and told me that, "If I click this button, this websites loads. If that works I'm fine! If it doesn't I will call you. Don't stop working with IT please, if you get it, we need you badly!" I believe that is a good reason to be accepting towards the current state of affairs. People just don't care. They have more important is…

I can't respond directly to kissorgy because of shadow ban I guess.

Anyway, yes the author says we are worse today, but keep in mind that we "just" connected a few billion devices. It will take a massive effort to get that fixed properly and keep all up to date security wise.

Nevermind that goverments wants to ban security in some places.

Re: I'm not burned out, I'm pissed off

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Post by isodude »

Iv wrote: post #26
isodude wrote: post #14

I asked my SO recently how she view the Internet, what it is and how it works. She was honest and told me that, "If I click this button, this websites loads. If that works I'm fine! If it doesn't I will call you. Don't stop working with IT please, if you get it, we need you badly!" I believe that is a good reason to be accepting towards the current state of affairs. People just don't care. They have more important is…

Thing is, it took me a long time to accept that people not caring was ok. Now I realize that my dad is frustrated I never learned something as simple as changing the oil on my car. My mom does not understand how I can't name more than two flowers and can't bake a pie. My legal-minded friends are astounded I do not take a day to work on my legal status to pay less taxes. Hell, my wife does the paperwork I am not even…

Thanks, this summarizes my thoughts quite neatly.

And most importantly, love yourself and don't let others disinterest get to your spirit of making good.

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