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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by m0zg »

whoevercares wrote: post #17
m0zg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.

Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit

Dictatorship doesn't affect you that much until it does. That's what folks in Hong Kong and the Uighurs are finding out as we speak.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by losteric »

mikeyouse wrote: post #4

What exactly did people expect to happen with this bizarre trade war? Instead of pressuring 'bad actor' countries with more free trade and something like TPP, levying pointless tariffs was obviously going to drive any joint international groups overseas. Just brainless stuff.

It's also domestic corruption, trading tariff waivers for corporate political support (or at least silence)

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by ngcc_hk »

m0zg wrote: post #13
spamizbad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.

But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet…

Or this explicit list of talents

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program

Strange and I still do not understand why they so explicit about it.

The key is you cannot easy reside, study, work in China key U and technology program freely. But seems you can in Usa. An one sided war with one side powerful but leaking key assets. Hence all these shooting using software and chip.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by tempsolution »

m0zg wrote: post #13
spamizbad wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.

But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet…

This made me laugh :D. Their "best", might not want to work at big tech companies just to exfiltrate secrets. And also their "best" would have an increased chance of being identified in background checks...

They are probably just sending some poor students who are pressured into it an exchange for whatever, if they get anything at all besides "not being punished".

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by whoevercares »

m0zg wrote: post #21
whoevercares wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit

Dictatorship doesn't affect you that much until it does. That's what folks in Hong Kong and the Uighurs are finding out as we speak.

But you do have to wait until it does. There’s almost no motivation for the majority of Chinese population to go against their government. HK is one of few places where those protests actually makes sense for democracy/historic reasons. Uighurs well blame Xi for that, it’s a stupid move that no previous leaders will make, but honestly you know what the majority Han population doesn’t really show sympathy, because there were terrorist from that area and they did kill people. It’s more like regional wars in the ancient times just this time it’s one sided

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by ngcc_hk »

whoevercares wrote: post #17
m0zg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.

Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit

It must do if not they would not all but one go outside. Even the very top guy. Ask where is his relatives.

What puzzle us is why they still support the communist when they are free. Even positively attack eg the lady Canadian student rep. Or of course my fellow hkers.

Any Russian leaving Soviet Union fighting for the interests of Soviet Union after they left. Openly. Not as a spy. I more remember one day in the life of .... kind.

Treating chinazi arising is a fair raise of a nation is totally wrong. Look just as the treat of minority like us as an exception is also wrong. When you feel the hit like lots of nba, apple, google etc and everyone has to kneel down to live, you will know that

First there is ...

Chinazi is chinazi. Forced Harmony especially without understanding is a crime against humanity. It would be too late when you get the the truth personally. Find it out earlier and fight.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by whoevercares »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #27
whoevercares wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit

It must do if not they would not all but one go outside. Even the very top guy. Ask where is his relatives. What puzzle us is why they still support the communist when they are free. Even positively attack eg the lady Canadian student rep. Or of course my fellow hkers. Any Russian leaving Soviet Union fighting for the interests of Soviet Union after they left. Openly. Not as a spy. I more remember one day in the life…

> What puzzle us is why they still support the communist when they are free

I can assure you the majority does not support the party wholeheartedly and for one thing it’s certain: if you tell them they should go ahead overthrown everything and re-establish the system they’ll think you are out of your mind. Chineses like to have concrete and feasible plans, Democracy slogans doesn’t work for this culture.

As to the integrity of China, it won’t be something that can be easily changed, given Chineses are obsessed to regain what was lost during early 20 century.

If you want to fight I’d respect it since HK deserves most of it and for such a small place I do think there are better plans. For entire China no, it will cause chaos and regressions, don’t even talk about long term

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by gscott »

whoevercares wrote: post #17
m0zg wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.

Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit

Everything is ok until your organs get taken out of you while you are still alive.
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