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Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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How/where are people getting their PCBs manufactured and assembled? Are cheap chinese services reliable? How do you protect your IP when using manufacturing services?

I do a lot of small-batch hobbyist stuff and I've had really good results from PCBWay and JLCPCB - boards usually show up in about a week via DHL.

Never seen my IP show up anywhere but it's generally not very interesting to begin with :P

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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Kicad is an amazing tool. Not easy to get into, kind of like vim in that regard, but when mastered, it's really powerful. With that in place, I wish it had: . Something to import LTSpice files directly into its schematics tool (or even better, go back and forth) . A rough but well integrated auto-router . A better parts library management system (the current one is really bad). But even without those, designing elect…

I've had very good luck with this build of FreeRouting alongside KiCad https://freerouting.mihosoft.eu

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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post #4

Kicad is an amazing tool. Not easy to get into, kind of like vim in that regard, but when mastered, it's really powerful. With that in place, I wish it had: . Something to import LTSpice files directly into its schematics tool (or even better, go back and forth) . A rough but well integrated auto-router . A better parts library management system (the current one is really bad). But even without those, designing elect…

You can simulate using SPICE in KiCad now (ngspice). KiCad already has an auto-router? But yeah, parts management is a mess...

KiCad's native autorouter was deprecated a while back (unless someone added it again in a recent point release)

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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How/where are people getting their PCBs manufactured and assembled? Are cheap chinese services reliable? How do you protect your IP when using manufacturing services?

CircuitHub. They are manufactured in Massachusetts so US IP laws would apply.

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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post #6

How/where are people getting their PCBs manufactured and assembled? Are cheap chinese services reliable? How do you protect your IP when using manufacturing services?

1. I use PCBWay, a chinese fab that can manufacture small quantities for like $5 (+$18 shipping if you want them fast) but they arrive in five days.

2. Protecting your IP with your PCB design isn't something you can really do. Any PCB can be reverse engineered very easily. Besides, if you're asking this question on a random internet forum, I have to doubt you have any serious IP to worry about.

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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post #4

Kicad is an amazing tool. Not easy to get into, kind of like vim in that regard, but when mastered, it's really powerful. With that in place, I wish it had: . Something to import LTSpice files directly into its schematics tool (or even better, go back and forth) . A rough but well integrated auto-router . A better parts library management system (the current one is really bad). But even without those, designing elect…

> A rough but well integrated auto-router

If you're depending on an auto-router, you're doing it wrong.

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Start with an electrical and computer engineering course. Some eda tools are literally fancy vector graphics engines. Some are em simulators wrapped up. Others are circuit modeing tools. It's not really like programming. The tools are deeply integrated into the physics of the system.

> It's not really like programming. The tools are deeply integrated into the physics of the system. What specifically makes electronics different from modeling other systems with software? DSP immediately comes to mind as something that is explicitly tied to Maxwell but there is really good software out there for describing, modeling, and creating signal processing components similar to how you'd write software. An e…

> Do engineers at Intel, AMD, and Nvidia manually lay out each feature in their chip designs? If not, what workflow tools have they developed internally? Could those tools, or similar, be used for smaller scale circuit design?

The answer is yes, but of course not exclusively. There was an English talk at ccc a while ago by an AMD engineer with lots of details on the whole process.

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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How/where are people getting their PCBs manufactured and assembled? Are cheap chinese services reliable? How do you protect your IP when using manufacturing services?

The first thought you should be having is what are you actually protecting? Is the value of your product in the PCB? Keep in mind that even moderately complex PCBs can be reverse engineered relatively easily.

This.

If you are putting your secret sauce in the PCB, you’ve already lost. Doesn’t matter if your board is one later or twenty.

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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post #6

How/where are people getting their PCBs manufactured and assembled? Are cheap chinese services reliable? How do you protect your IP when using manufacturing services?

Still using OSH Park, never had an issue.

Your secret IP had better not be your circuit board. That’s a losing proposition.

Re: KiCad Joins Linux Foundation to Advance Electronic Design Automation

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post #4

Kicad is an amazing tool. Not easy to get into, kind of like vim in that regard, but when mastered, it's really powerful. With that in place, I wish it had: . Something to import LTSpice files directly into its schematics tool (or even better, go back and forth) . A rough but well integrated auto-router . A better parts library management system (the current one is really bad). But even without those, designing elect…

I've had very good luck with this build of FreeRouting alongside KiCad https://freerouting.mihosoft.eu

That used to be semi-attached to KiCAD, but due to some whining, it no longer is. Its author had worked for a company that did routing software, and they were huffing and puffing about him competing with them, although they didn't apparently have the contractual rights to stop him.

I used it to route a board, and it was kind of touchy, but did the job.

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