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Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by kragen »

I prompted GPT-2 with the headline and date:

Is the San Francisco Shtuation Out of Control? Originally posted on November 18, 2019 9:30 am

It continued:

We may be the "parking hell" of San Francisco, but at least we're predictable about it. Just like how we've been screaming for a protected bike lane all across the city, and it still can't be found. Well, we're not going to have a protected bike lane in 9 months because.. well.. UberHittingTaxis is totally derailing it and killing the entire project . That alone has me so pissy and pissed off

I tried GPT-2 again:

We will be celebrating both Thanksgiving and the 200th anniversary of Thanksgiving by receiving, reviving and celebrating the san francisco shtuation. Very few people know that the birth of frederic Felspike on the last day of 1847, resulted in the birth of a San Franciscan most certainly from all over. He was a true founding member of San Francisco history, at least a half of the San Franciscans who were still

I tried GPT-2 a third time:

by Edmund Kemper Now you can: - Save and share news and news stories from around the Bay Area - Mention SF Asks Now for special news updates when you're posting comments - Choose from many popular templates to create one of your own The San Francisco Sh*tuation ® began in early 2002 as a group of passionate Bay Area residents, many of whom had the same frustration with local politics, media, and society. Our mission is to provide a space

I'm not sure what these GPT-2 results say about the news media or the society the humans have built. At least it didn't immediately infer that the article was going to be about people pooping on the sidewalks.

(I, too, had serious responsivity problems with the article in Firefox.)

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by catalogia »

wuunderbar wrote: post #10

I wonder how much this has to do with an increase in people knowing that there exists a system to complain about poop, versus the actual increase of poop itself.

Why would such a system be created in SF, let alone receive attention from the public, if not for the perception that it was already a problem?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by justinzollars »

wuunderbar wrote: post #10

I wonder how much this has to do with an increase in people knowing that there exists a system to complain about poop, versus the actual increase of poop itself.

I've lived here 10 years, and its everywhere now. You can see this with your eyes, or if you don't trust what you see, you can see it in the city provided data of homeless living on the streets. Its up 17% over the last 2 years (measured every 2 years)

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by sneak »

Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

The idea that drug dealing is such a harmful thing (it's not) that we must deny homeless and poor people the basic human dignity of being able to use a toilet in privacy to avoid people being able to engage in it is an idea that needs to be extinguished.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by rtfeldman »

catalogia wrote: post #9

Something about this article pinwheeled Firefox on my mac for two minutes before I gave up and force killed firefox. Particularly strange since I have all javascript, including first party, blocked by default with uMatrix. I had to read it with emacs. Anyway, the fact that this is even a question people wonder about should be proof enough there's a problem. I lived in Philadelphia for many years and it's generally a…

> I lived in Philadelphia for many years and it's generally a filthy city. People who live there know it too.

I moved from SF to Philadelphia 2 years ago and have no idea what you're talking about.

None of the things you described are things I've seen more than maybe once in the 2 years I've lived here, and I walk everywhere just like I did in SF.

Granted, all of those things I saw repeatedly when living in SF for 4 years beforehand. The one time I smelled urine in a street in Philly, my brain went "whoa, am I back in SoMa?"

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by blackearl »

catalogia wrote: post #9

Something about this article pinwheeled Firefox on my mac for two minutes before I gave up and force killed firefox. Particularly strange since I have all javascript, including first party, blocked by default with uMatrix. I had to read it with emacs. Anyway, the fact that this is even a question people wonder about should be proof enough there's a problem. I lived in Philadelphia for many years and it's generally a…

Is it the ability to be on the street year round? Maybe the more comfortable you are living outside, the more likely to use it as a bathroom. Colder climates force the homeless to use shelters and similar resources during winter months.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by MaupitiBlue »

Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

> Not enough privacy for a drug deal.

That is SF. Drug deals are done in broad daylight.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by VectorLock »

Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

If its private enough to poop in its not private enough to do a drug deal in? So you can see multiple people's legs that's going to stop things?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by dfcagency »

danschumann wrote: post #13

You could actually enforce the laws and put people in safe jails with better living conditions than they have now, outside the city limits. It seems like being more and more lenient is not a solution to a problem getting worse and worse.

I know you think this seems very logical, sane - but you have a tell "outside city limits" - you want these people rounded up and bused out. it's not a solution.

Sane policing, treatment programs, and massive development is the solution.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by VectorLock »

MaupitiBlue wrote: post #27
Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

> Not enough privacy for a drug deal. That is SF. Drug deals are done in broad daylight.

If anything people might be more worried about doing drug deals in a confined space and not being able to flee making it easier to be robbed.
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