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Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #17

Having a crazy thought here... So we have things like Tor, which makes a PKI based .onion TLD. What's stopping Us (the people) from making our own TLDs? It really just is a massive amount of groupthink, inertia, and acceptance of who dns is... right? And with IP6 seems like it'd be a wild west on all sorts of TLDs.. But we have these monolithic orgs holding us all back. Hell, I know it's orthogonal to TLDs, but we ev…

Right, it's mostly based on inertia and acceptance. There are 6 figure startup costs to making a new TLD - enough to prevent people from polluting the namespace on a whim, but not out of range for a large coordinated effort.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by detaro »

louischatriot wrote: post #7

Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

I know several organizations using .org for which 1k would be a substantial chunk of their yearly operating budget.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by judge2020 »

simlevesque wrote: post #20
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #17

Having a crazy thought here... So we have things like Tor, which makes a PKI based .onion TLD. What's stopping Us (the people) from making our own TLDs? It really just is a massive amount of groupthink, inertia, and acceptance of who dns is... right? And with IP6 seems like it'd be a wild west on all sorts of TLDs.. But we have these monolithic orgs holding us all back. Hell, I know it's orthogonal to TLDs, but we ev…

Check out OpenNIC: https://www.opennic.org/

I posted this elsewhere a while ago but it's relevant to opennic, let me know if something is out-of-date or wrong:

The choice to support DNS roots like .oz, .ku, .te, .ti, and .uu is not standards-compliant. Say suddenly a new nation comes into the world and ISO assigns them one of these abbreviations, or one of these “emerging countries” they have TLDs for gets assigned a different cctld, what does opennic do? They made the choice to pre-register a bunch of domains under these reserved 2-letter country codes, so now they either have to

A. stop being able to say “we directly support all ICANN-assigned tlds” and keep resolving the existing domains

or

B. say to the existing domain owners of [their artificial] tld “sorry to be you” as their domain names they thought they owned now become registered to other entities.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by willvarfar »

louischatriot wrote: post #7

Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

its an interesting discussion you are starting.

I would have to seriously reconsider my domain if it cost a lot of money.

Perhaps domain registrars could do a lot to stop a lot of hoarding if they charged progressively by the number of domains with the same payment details?

Of course, perhaps registrars don’t want to stop hoarding?

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by cameronbrown »

Animats wrote: post #26

Why is there only one .org registry, anyway? There are multiple registries for .com. I hate to say it, but maybe domain names should be managed on a blockchain, so there's no central authority.

One of the few things like the idea of using a Blockchain for imo

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Post by andrew2984 »

louischatriot wrote: post #7

Raising the price for tld would actually be a good thing, as it would make "domain investing" (domain hoarding) unprofitable. Let's say a .com costs $1,000 per year. For a legitimate business / organization, that is a trivial cost. For a domain hoarder, that makes keeping domains by and large unprofitable. Killing this parasitic activity is a good thing.

The average price a domain investor sells a domain for is around $2,000. That's a one time charge, and then after that they pay just about $10 a year to renew.

And people register alternative domains rather than one an investor owns because they don't want to pay that amount.

So I don't agree with your thinking.

And in some countries $1,000 is a lifetime's earnings.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by andrew2984 »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #17

Having a crazy thought here... So we have things like Tor, which makes a PKI based .onion TLD. What's stopping Us (the people) from making our own TLDs? It really just is a massive amount of groupthink, inertia, and acceptance of who dns is... right? And with IP6 seems like it'd be a wild west on all sorts of TLDs.. But we have these monolithic orgs holding us all back. Hell, I know it's orthogonal to TLDs, but we ev…

Lots of people have tried to create these "alternative roots" to the traditional DNS. It's a chicken and egg problem. In order for website owners to choose these alt domains, they need every browser, email system and software to support them. In order for the browser makers et al to support them, they need millions of people to be using them.

Re: ICA asks ICANN to block .Org private equity deal in damning letter

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Post by [deleted] »

judge2020 wrote: post #24
simlevesque wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out OpenNIC: https://www.opennic.org/

I posted this elsewhere a while ago but it's relevant to opennic, let me know if something is out-of-date or wrong: The choice to support DNS roots like .oz, .ku, .te, .ti, and .uu is not standards-compliant. Say suddenly a new nation comes into the world and ISO assigns them one of these abbreviations, or one of these “emerging countries” they have TLDs for gets assigned a different cctld, what does opennic do? They…

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