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Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by hos234 »

ggm wrote: post #4

(not a tay tay fan. not actually listening to much music these days, I can't quite get Bach and Beefheart out of my head) Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the…

They are getting doxxed already. Howard Stern knew how to use his fan base to deal with Mr. Pig Vomit. This is a similar story but for the social media age. Exerting this kind of pressure on execs works, if you know what you are doing.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by solipsism »

gorgoiler wrote: post #12

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here: 1/ There’s no need to call out gender — “be a good little girl and shut up”, referring to “these men”, etc. Not during 2019’s entertainment industry harassment crisis. This is an intellectual property rights issue but it feels like Swift is trying to nudge it in another direction, unfairly. 2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of…

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here

1/ There’s no need to call out gender

If you think that'll weaken her message, you haven't been paying attention to society lately. This will resonate strongly with the people she intends it to resonate with.

Maybe you mean it makes the message less compelling to you personally. I'm not sure Taylor cares about that though...

2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars it seems calculating and disingenuous to try to have your way in the court of public opinion.

Again, I don't think you're thinking things through. Taylor's fans are incredibly loyal. The only people who are likely to think of this as bullying are already not her fans.

If anything, this tells me Taylor should consider politics. It seems like she knows how the game is played these days.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by mathieuh »

gorgoiler wrote: post #12

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here: 1/ There’s no need to call out gender — “be a good little girl and shut up”, referring to “these men”, etc. Not during 2019’s entertainment industry harassment crisis. This is an intellectual property rights issue but it feels like Swift is trying to nudge it in another direction, unfairly. 2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of…

We don’t know any context, she may have been on the receiving end of sexism and she hardly said anything egregious

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by [deleted] »

hobofan wrote: post #19
ToFab123 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On Sunday, June 30 [2019], it was announced that Scooter Braun and his company, Ithaca Holdings LLC, acquired Scott Borchetta’s Big Machine Label Group in a deal that’s reportedly worth over $300 million. Through buying Borchetta’s company, Braun now also has ownership of Taylor Swift’s master recordings made when she was with the label, including her first six albums. https://www.bustle.com/p/why-doesnt-taylor-swi…

> in a deal that’s reportedly worth over $300 million So if she were to really put the money where her mouth is, she could probably buy the rights to her old records with her reported $360 million of net worth, or find a more friendly recording label willing to do so.

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Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by xwdv »

solipsism wrote: post #22
gorgoiler wrote: post #12

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here: 1/ There’s no need to call out gender — “be a good little girl and shut up”, referring to “these men”, etc. Not during 2019’s entertainment industry harassment crisis. This is an intellectual property rights issue but it feels like Swift is trying to nudge it in another direction, unfairly. 2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of…

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here 1/ There’s no need to call out gender If you think that'll weaken her message, you haven't been paying attention to society lately. This will resonate strongly with the people she intends it to resonate with. Maybe you mean it makes the message less compelling to you personally. I'm not sure Taylor cares about that though... 2/ When your net worth is measu…

Please don’t give her anymore ideas. She should just take her money and retire peacefully dressing fancy and traveling the world.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by m0zg »

ggm wrote: post #4

(not a tay tay fan. not actually listening to much music these days, I can't quite get Bach and Beefheart out of my head) Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the…

“The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” -- Hunter S Thompson

Sounds like Taylor is discovering the "negative side" at this point.

Be that as it may, though, if she signed a contract and made hundreds of millions of dollars with it, she should abide by the terms of the contract. Don't like it? Don's sign. Or at least don't extend when the time comes to renew.

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