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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by toomuchtodo » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 7:58 PM UTC

mrandish wrote: post #12

Perhaps an opportunity for Pornhub themselves to get into the payments business? I assume they have enough transactional volume and vendors to make it happen.

My hunch is that would incur unwanted liability from FOSTA-SESTA [1]. Producing content and paying talent out directly is fairly straightforward for adult entertainment. There be dragons if you're attempting to build a marketplace to do something similar.

"The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as the FOSTA-SESTA package became law on April 11, 2018. They clarify the country's sex trafficking law to make it illegal to knowingly assist, facilitate, or support sex trafficking, and amend the Section 230 safe harbors of the Communications Decency Act (which make online services immune from civil liability for the actions of their users) to exclude enforcement of federal or state sex trafficking laws from its immunity. Senate sponsor Rob Portman had previously led an investigation into the online classifieds service Backpage (which had been accused of facilitating child sex trafficking), and argued that Section 230 was protecting its "unscrupulous business practices" and was not designed to provide immunity to websites that facilitate sex trafficking."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Enabling_Sex_Traffickers_...

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by egdod » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 7:58 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #14

I’m the last person to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon, but this is one case where I think it’s warranted.

Nothing better than receiving your salary in a token with huge minute-to-minute volatility.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by Disruptive_Dave » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #16

jimnotgym wrote: post #10

A contributor once wrote on hn about the huge market for a porn friendly payment system. Key feature, must not look suspicious on credit card bill...

The issue here is that it needs to be easy for a person viewing their credit card bill to know that they paid for something... and not be super weird. I had a buddy who nearly did a chargeback against a club that put "E 11 EVN" on his bill... name is Eleven Club.

Most strip clubs do something like "Sully's Steakhouse" .

edit....or so I'm told :)

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by notacoward » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

Ironic that the story is on a website called Vice.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by ur-whale » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

craze3 wrote: post #19

I'm working on a decentralized app to remedy these type of moves by big payment processors. The new flow I suggest is: BTC -> Coinbase -> PayPal. Withdrawals are instant & only subject to standard fees. The can funds can also be instantly converted to cash, via the PayPal Business Debit Card. References: [1] https://blog.coinbase.com/instant-paypal-withdrawals-now-ava... [2] https://support.coinbase.com/customer/port…

> The new flow I suggest is: BTC -> Coinbase -> PayPal

The flow still can be censored. As a matter of fact, you now have two opportunities for your payment to get nixed.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by normalnorm » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #21

mrandish wrote: post #12

Perhaps an opportunity for Pornhub themselves to get into the payments business? I assume they have enough transactional volume and vendors to make it happen.

My hunch is that would incur unwanted liability from FOSTA-SESTA [1]. Producing content and paying talent out directly is fairly straightforward for adult entertainment. There be dragons if you're attempting to build a marketplace to do something similar. "The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as…

"The land of the free"

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by throwaway_tech » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #16

jimnotgym wrote: post #10

A contributor once wrote on hn about the huge market for a porn friendly payment system. Key feature, must not look suspicious on credit card bill...

The issue here is that it needs to be easy for a person viewing their credit card bill to know that they paid for something... and not be super weird. I had a buddy who nearly did a chargeback against a club that put "E 11 EVN" on his bill... name is Eleven Club.

>I had a buddy who nearly did a chargeback against a club that put "E 11 EVN" on his bill... name is Eleven Club.

Are you sure the name isn't "Club E11Even"? Because there is a rather famous strip club in Miami named E11Even (pronounced Eleven).

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

normalnorm wrote: post #26

toomuchtodo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hunch is that would incur unwanted liability from FOSTA-SESTA [1]. Producing content and paying talent out directly is fairly straightforward for adult entertainment. There be dragons if you're attempting to build a marketplace to do something similar. "The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as…

"The land of the free"

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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by TulliusCicero » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

jimnotgym wrote: post #10

A contributor once wrote on hn about the huge market for a porn friendly payment system. Key feature, must not look suspicious on credit card bill...

There's a good sized market, but IIRC porn payments have an outsized portion of problems, like lots of chargebacks.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by rvz » Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

mjevans wrote: post #7

A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. It sadly looks like my favorite hope is still not ready, but I am hopeful that this is due to slow and careful development that will lead to a stable long term outcome. https://taler.net/en/faq.html

> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market.

This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously.

Job done.