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Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Facebook fell for it too?

No. Never.

Could "Never" be defined as a time frame from year 2012 to at least 2019 ?

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/03/facebook-stored-hundreds...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/21/18275837/facebook-plain-t...

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/03/faceb...

https://www.wired.com/story/facebook-passwords-plaintext-cha...

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Given the fair assumption that any piece of data you give to a third party system that has access to the internet will eventually be breached, I feel like we need an entirely new system for data sharing. The problem with most of these hacks isn't usually so much that the hacked system itself has lots of valuable data, but that the data from the hacked system can be used to hack into other systems that do have valuabl…

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Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Given the fair assumption that any piece of data you give to a third party system that has access to the internet will eventually be breached, I feel like we need an entirely new system for data sharing. The problem with most of these hacks isn't usually so much that the hacked system itself has lots of valuable data, but that the data from the hacked system can be used to hack into other systems that do have valuabl…

> There are obvious difficulties here regarding how we'd handle certain fields (e.g. how do I calculate your shipping if I don't know your exact zip code)

Forget calculating shipping; how do you ship me my product at all without me giving you my address?

(A quick napkin sketch would be that I wouldn't, I'd give you a USPS reference number, which you could use to calculate shipping costs as well as actually mail me a thing; only the USPS would be able to link the reference number to my physical location. There's almost certainly problems with this idea, which is why it's a napkin sketch.)

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Reminds me of something similar that happened to me once a long time ago. I hacked into a server. I wanted to take a copy of everything so I made a tar of / to wget it to computer later. Only that the disk was at >50% usage so I filled it by making the tar file. Everything stopped to work with 0 bytes left of disk space (I wasn't root) so I kinda bricked the machine. I had to walk away in shame.

Don't feel bad. 1995. SunOS. Very patient boss. I did the same thing.

When I was learning Microsoft Access, many years ago, I didn't really understand joins. So I did a cross join with no where condition. And the machine (Windows XP) just sat there, and eventually locked up.

So I rebooted, and tried it again. Same result.

Eventually I figured it out.

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Given the fair assumption that any piece of data you give to a third party system that has access to the internet will eventually be breached, I feel like we need an entirely new system for data sharing. The problem with most of these hacks isn't usually so much that the hacked system itself has lots of valuable data, but that the data from the hacked system can be used to hack into other systems that do have valuabl…

> There are obvious difficulties here regarding how we'd handle certain fields (e.g. how do I calculate your shipping if I don't know your exact zip code) Forget calculating shipping; how do you ship me my product at all without me giving you my address? (A quick napkin sketch would be that I wouldn't, I'd give you a USPS reference number, which you could use to calculate shipping costs as well as actually mail me a…

"USPS reference number" seems like it could work relatively similarly to a PO Box.

Main difference of course being that you want the ability to generate a unique "PO Box" per merchant.

Of course, there is a 3rd party (the post office in this case) that would need to know the mappings between real address and "reference number", but even in the case the post office got hacked at least they would only get your old mappings. Any new purchases would use new reference numbers.

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Given the fair assumption that any piece of data you give to a third party system that has access to the internet will eventually be breached, I feel like we need an entirely new system for data sharing. The problem with most of these hacks isn't usually so much that the hacked system itself has lots of valuable data, but that the data from the hacked system can be used to hack into other systems that do have valuabl…

> There are obvious difficulties here regarding how we'd handle certain fields (e.g. how do I calculate your shipping if I don't know your exact zip code) Forget calculating shipping; how do you ship me my product at all without me giving you my address? (A quick napkin sketch would be that I wouldn't, I'd give you a USPS reference number, which you could use to calculate shipping costs as well as actually mail me a…

You would also have to give the tax authorities the ability to lookup the reference number so they can calculate how much tax is owed. Taxes can very wildly even in the same zip code (some places are better than others about this).

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Given the fair assumption that any piece of data you give to a third party system that has access to the internet will eventually be breached, I feel like we need an entirely new system for data sharing. The problem with most of these hacks isn't usually so much that the hacked system itself has lots of valuable data, but that the data from the hacked system can be used to hack into other systems that do have valuabl…

> There are obvious difficulties here regarding how we'd handle certain fields (e.g. how do I calculate your shipping if I don't know your exact zip code) Forget calculating shipping; how do you ship me my product at all without me giving you my address? (A quick napkin sketch would be that I wouldn't, I'd give you a USPS reference number, which you could use to calculate shipping costs as well as actually mail me a…

This would be cool mixed with kind of a flipped free shipping thing, where I pay USPS $x a year and they deliver me up to y packages a week/year/whatever with no additional charge. You give the reference number to the vendor, the shipping comes up as free, they print a label and ship.

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Reminds me of something similar that happened to me once a long time ago. I hacked into a server. I wanted to take a copy of everything so I made a tar of / to wget it to computer later. Only that the disk was at >50% usage so I filled it by making the tar file. Everything stopped to work with 0 bytes left of disk space (I wasn't root) so I kinda bricked the machine. I had to walk away in shame.

It's unlikely you bricked the machine by filling the disk as a regular user. E.g. Ext2 by default reserves 5% for super-user processes.

Do something more useful with your time and skills.

Re: Breach affecting 1M was caught only after hacker maxed out target’s storage

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Given the fair assumption that any piece of data you give to a third party system that has access to the internet will eventually be breached, I feel like we need an entirely new system for data sharing. The problem with most of these hacks isn't usually so much that the hacked system itself has lots of valuable data, but that the data from the hacked system can be used to hack into other systems that do have valuabl…

> There are obvious difficulties here regarding how we'd handle certain fields (e.g. how do I calculate your shipping if I don't know your exact zip code) Forget calculating shipping; how do you ship me my product at all without me giving you my address? (A quick napkin sketch would be that I wouldn't, I'd give you a USPS reference number, which you could use to calculate shipping costs as well as actually mail me a…

I like the idea, but even with a one-time code, the post office has a record of the reference number which could be linked back to the transaction.

Along with some form of digital cash analogue (i'm not sure existing crypto is it), we'd be getting close to restoring some privacy in online transactions.

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