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Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by Miner49er » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #15

I feel like this is grasping at straws. Facebook’s head of news co-founded a site in 2015 that promotes school choice, something supported by a majority of people and a super majority of people of color: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/school-choice-strong-... . The articles posted on this site were critical of Warren because of Warren’s opposition to school choice, but has also criticized the other Democratic…

This article posted to HN yesterday is better IMO: https://popular.info/p/facebooks-top-news-executive-has

It points out Brown is friends with Betsy DeVos.

It points out that Eric Owens, a far-right regular writer for the Daily Caller, has written 11 articles for The 74.

I agree that the part about Warren is grasping at straws a bit. I think it's more interesting that Brown is right leaning, yet she's in charge of FB News. So far, FB News is showing many signs it will be right biased. This just adds more evidence.

The other evidence is the inclusion of Breitbart, but no leftist publications. Also, the fact that Zuckerberg has been having dinners with far-right figures, but no leftists.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by macspoofing » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

alecb wrote: post #18

rayiner wrote: post #15

I feel like this is grasping at straws. Facebook’s head of news co-founded a site in 2015 that promotes school choice, something supported by a majority of people and a super majority of people of color: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/school-choice-strong-... . The articles posted on this site were critical of Warren because of Warren’s opposition to school choice, but has also criticized the other Democratic…

Ah yes, "school choice", a nice rebranding effort for privatizing another industry so Betsy Devos and other aspiring oligarchs can destroy a public good for their profit.

Why not try a charitable interpretation of 'school choice'? People I know that support vouchers and charter schools do so because they genuinely care about quality education. Maybe they are misguided, but they certainly aren't doing it to create EVIL profit for the EVIL billionaire class.

As a general principle, decentralization is good.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by vernie » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #9

SN76477 wrote: post #5

Politics is full of bad actors, I do not think Warren is one of those people. You can disagree with her, sure, but she just wants to create fairness for all in my opinion. Facebook is the opposite of this, with their closed systems, back door dealings and often shady business practices it makes perfect sense that they are opposed to her.

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Fairness bad.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by tasty_freeze » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #11

SN76477 wrote: post #5

Politics is full of bad actors, I do not think Warren is one of those people. You can disagree with her, sure, but she just wants to create fairness for all in my opinion. Facebook is the opposite of this, with their closed systems, back door dealings and often shady business practices it makes perfect sense that they are opposed to her.

You don't think the whole debacle about claiming to be native american has hurt her credibility somewhat?

Really, people are going to hang her on this issue? Most people have some family lore that isn't 100% verified -- oh, really, your great grandfather was hero in the civil war? maybe, maybe not.

There isn't a pattern of deceit on her part, this "debacle" wasn't a sin of great consequence, all the while it is pushed over and over by someone whose entire life is built on manufacturing falsehoods. "Both sides do it" doesn't apply here. It is like saying I can't be critical of a murderer because I too broke the law by speeding.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by DataWorker » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

alecb wrote: post #18

rayiner wrote: post #15

I feel like this is grasping at straws. Facebook’s head of news co-founded a site in 2015 that promotes school choice, something supported by a majority of people and a super majority of people of color: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/school-choice-strong-... . The articles posted on this site were critical of Warren because of Warren’s opposition to school choice, but has also criticized the other Democratic…

Ah yes, "school choice", a nice rebranding effort for privatizing another industry so Betsy Devos and other aspiring oligarchs can destroy a public good for their profit.

I think you’re being downvoted because Devos, like most education free market pushers, isn’t looking to profit on school choice. People really think free markets are better. Similar to UBI, people like the idea of freedom.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by fcarraldo » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #15

I feel like this is grasping at straws. Facebook’s head of news co-founded a site in 2015 that promotes school choice, something supported by a majority of people and a super majority of people of color: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/school-choice-strong-... . The articles posted on this site were critical of Warren because of Warren’s opposition to school choice, but has also criticized the other Democratic…

The National Review has a right wing bias, and has been called the “bible of American conservatism”. Since “school choice” is a conservative policy, it’s unsurprising that the NR ran an article that purports that it’s a popular policy. If we look at the source for the polls the article is based on, they cite polls from a lobbyist group specifically built to push policy on “school choice”.

This doesn’t seem like a reputable source for making the argument that voters actually support this policy.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by refurb » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

mikeyouse wrote: post #20

JungleGymSam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your take on CNN and MSNBC? Mother Jones? The Daily Kos? HuffPo? etc.

Breitbart is an explicitly white nationalist publication. There is no comparison with standard news. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... Edit: Good lord people. SPLC has a cache of emails from Stephen Miller written to various people at Breitbart about reporting their stories with explicit white nationalist ideology. You don't have to like SPLC to believe the leaked emails any more than yo…

SPLC is not an authority on what’s white supremacy and what’s not. They’ve been known to cast a wide net.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by gotoeleven » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

alecb wrote: post #18

rayiner wrote: post #15

I feel like this is grasping at straws. Facebook’s head of news co-founded a site in 2015 that promotes school choice, something supported by a majority of people and a super majority of people of color: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/school-choice-strong-... . The articles posted on this site were critical of Warren because of Warren’s opposition to school choice, but has also criticized the other Democratic…

Ah yes, "school choice", a nice rebranding effort for privatizing another industry so Betsy Devos and other aspiring oligarchs can destroy a public good for their profit.

An open society isn't going to work if people can't tolerate disagreement.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by pandemicsyn » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #12

JungleGymSam wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your take on CNN and MSNBC? Mother Jones? The Daily Kos? HuffPo? etc.

Are any of those confirmed to be included? AFAIK none of those are.

Not sure any of those are specifically - but Buzzfeed.news, People, Business Insider etc are listed on the landing page as a sources.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by politil_throw93 » Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 6:23 PM UTC

murph-almighty wrote: post #17

gadders wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't think the whole debacle about claiming to be native american has hurt her credibility somewhat?

I'll bite even though I'm a bit uninformed here: I think it's plausible to be told something about your heritage and not question it, especially if it's something spanning multiple generations where the paperwork validating the claim is either nonexistent or otherwise hard to reach. At varying points I've been told by relatives that I'm part Scottish, and told by others that I'm not, and I don't really have a straigh…

> I can reasonably extend the benefit of the doubt to Elizabeth Warren that she didn't know if she was actually some fraction Native American or not until the DNA test.

But she didn't claim to be 'some fraction Native American'. She said her race was 'Native American', just full-on 'Native American', on an official form.

And she claimed to be Cherokee in a book. That's even more bizarre of a thing to claim. No matter what anyone told her, she must have known she wasn't part of the tribe?

People say she's apologised, but she hasn't really said 'I'm sorry that I...' except that she's caused distress. What does she now admit she did? Lied? Stretched the truth? What does she see it as? What was going through her head. What would lead her to make such obviously ludicrous claims? Even if she did have one recent ancestor, which it turns out she probably didn't, it's still a nonsense claim that she is Native American and Cherokee.

Does she still think she's Native American? Will she describe herself as the first Native American president? If she doesn't, what does she say is the difference between now and when she filled out that form? That's what I'm missing - her explanation.