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Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

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Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

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Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap.

How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project.

It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car.

Will never buy a Tesla after having seen this.

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

#23

Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap. How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project. It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car. Will never buy a Tesla after havin…

Your comments read like /r/RealTesla | TSLAQ fud.

Please explain, in detail, what your specific objections are, and how you are more qualified on this subject matter than the presenter.

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

#25

Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap. How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project. It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car. Will never buy a Tesla after havin…

Same.

Watching the AI visualization of summons in-action was horrifying, and made clear why many have reported summons mode as resembling a drunk person navigating a parking lot.

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

#26

Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap. How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project. It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car. Will never buy a Tesla after havin…

You are right this approach is scary, and it is astonishingly innacurate (im a tesla owner).

However the reason are not eight cameras. You should be able to drive fine with just one camera (thought experiment: could you drive a car 1000 miles from you, just by seeing what the driver of that car would see, no extra cameras, sensors or lidars?).

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

#27

Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap. How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project. It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car. Will never buy a Tesla after havin…

Your comments read like /r/RealTesla | TSLAQ fud. Please explain, in detail, what your specific objections are, and how you are more qualified on this subject matter than the presenter.

I am honestly scared even of WayMo that I think unless NHTSA gets its acts together this shit shouldn't be allowed on roads.

It's often reactionary - people wait for someone to die and then suddenly you have nervous Musk in front of Congress and such crap. Why wait? Why can't these be regulated before allowing on roads?

And no, failover control is not acceptable given the past incidents and deaths.

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

#28

Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap. How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project. It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car. Will never buy a Tesla after havin…

You are right this approach is scary, and it is astonishingly innacurate (im a tesla owner). However the reason are not eight cameras. You should be able to drive fine with just one camera (thought experiment: could you drive a car 1000 miles from you, just by seeing what the driver of that car would see, no extra cameras, sensors or lidars?).

I work closely on ondevice OCR technology - something that has improved so much and still cannot figure out the difference between I and 1.

And that took many decades not even years and in a very constrained problem space.

Releasing a "self driving" metal torpedo even if it's a limited Summons should at least be regulated if not outright banned.

I feel like even a single accident let alone death should put these idiots behind bars.

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

#29

Just listening to this talk scares me. The amount of errors - even in a seemingly normal, sunny day - is mind boggling to think people trust this crap. How can we rely on the output of eight cameras? This is not a kid's science project. It's all fancy neural networks until someone dies. Pretty callous and Silicon valley-mindset for such an important and critical function of the car. Will never buy a Tesla after havin…

You are right this approach is scary, and it is astonishingly innacurate (im a tesla owner). However the reason are not eight cameras. You should be able to drive fine with just one camera (thought experiment: could you drive a car 1000 miles from you, just by seeing what the driver of that car would see, no extra cameras, sensors or lidars?).

One stereoscopic ultra-HDR 4K camera would be fine... if it was backed by a strong AI. To even suggest that ML is anywhere wen remotely close to this level is the height of hubris.

Re: Andrej Karpathy talks about how Tesla's NNs are structured and trained [video]

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You are right this approach is scary, and it is astonishingly innacurate (im a tesla owner). However the reason are not eight cameras. You should be able to drive fine with just one camera (thought experiment: could you drive a car 1000 miles from you, just by seeing what the driver of that car would see, no extra cameras, sensors or lidars?).

I work closely on ondevice OCR technology - something that has improved so much and still cannot figure out the difference between I and 1. And that took many decades not even years and in a very constrained problem space. Releasing a "self driving" metal torpedo even if it's a limited Summons should at least be regulated if not outright banned. I feel like even a single accident let alone death should put these idio…

It is regulated. Would you like it to be regulated in a specific, different way?
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