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Tech Workers Backing Candidates Looking to Break Up Their Employers

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Can someone explain why SV tech workers are more left-wing to me as an outsider? I always thought these tech workers were more libertarian.

As a left-leaning tech worker, I don't have a more satisfying answer for you than that I think the left-wing position is correct (realistic, just, etc.)

Part of why it's surprising, I suppose, is the presumption that those making lots of money would tend to be libertarian, since libertarian principles (lower taxes, lower regulation, etc.) would yield higher profits. But I believe tech workers (myself included) make too much money. I don't work harder than, say, the in-house chef at my employer, the construction worker building our new buildings, the folks digging new subway tunnels, etc. I'm self-serving (i.e., a rational agent) in that I'll take the highest-paying job available to me, but I don't have it in me to be self-serving to the extent of saying, this state of affairs is good and we should support it long-term. It often feels like the only reason I need this much money is to keep up with people making even more money than me driving inflation in housing etc. prices, and I have no inherent interest in playing that game. (To be clear, there are reasonable arguments that I should be making as much money as I do, that my contribution to society is greater, etc. I don't think someone who holds such beliefs is a bad person - I'm just reporting on my beliefs and those of many of my peers.)

I also see that making more money is how you get leverage to influence society, so I optimize for putting money into my hands - which is unrelated to whether the direction I want to take society ends up with more money in my hands.

I also suspect a lot of tech workers, by being at profitable and highly-automated business, are more likely to believe in the feasibility of a highly-automated society that puts money in everyone's hands regardless of how hard they work (think Star Trek, or the "fully automated luxury space capitalism" meme, or whatever). We see huge profits coming from collectives without an individual profit motive (aka "the engineering department") and not as much from rugged individualism, so we're more skeptical of the necessity of right-wing market-based solutions to improve society.

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I'm sorry but this article is beyond stupid. It is a narrative in search of data. Opening line: >Silicon Valley software engineers seem more loyal to the left wing of the Democratic Party than to their own employers. Then proceeds to include no data that any donations are actually from software engineers. Then the actual amounts: >Presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren, who has called for breaking up Facebook, Amazo…

I find it weird that she picks and chooses. Limits the execs but takes money from the low level employees.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warren-limits-donatio...

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Can someone explain why SV tech workers are more left-wing to me as an outsider? I always thought these tech workers were more libertarian.

I think it's generational. SV in the Gen X era was highly libertarian. The Millenials in SV seem to be mostly left wing or even socialist. Broadly speaking that is, exceptions abound.

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To some degree I agree that some of these companies have too much control over users and collect too much information and give users too little control in that. With that said, I feel there’s some irony in this. These companies essentially have encouraged and enabled these attitudes in their workforce thinking this would make the employers look like they shared the same goals and had to good of workers in mind. Essen…

Zuckerberg is known to rave about Emporer Augustus achieving 200 years of world peace through "harsh methods".

So they cherry pick whatever stories they want from history to justify their mistakes.

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Wasn't too surprised to see that Bloomberg neglected to mention a pretty self evident reason why tech workers might want that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... I'm pretty sure that if the anti-trust litigation in 2001 hadn't battered microsoft then tech wages would not be as high today. Competition among employers is good for wages, and the fewer and bigger the employers, the less the co…

I am not quite sure that smaller companies can offer higher wages.

Also, keep in mind a story of Bell Labs - the innovation power house hugely responsible for tens of Nobel Prize winning inventions such as transistor and solar cells. You need an insanely rich and powerful parent company to fund something like this (only Alphabet is kind pf doing it these days)

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Breaking up big tech companies is undoubtedly good for the workers, create more competition in hiring. It would probably send money downwards and be a huge boon to innovation tbh.

Well, maybe. But on the other hand, the biggest tech companies seem to pay the most? Why is that?

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Maybe they are donating to candidates who they believe are good for everyone ( including themselves ) and not just good for their employers who could care less about them in most cases. Voting on one issue is a sure way to get a candidate who is against you when they ignore that issue.

Yes, this. I vote for candidates that will do right by my children, other's children, the future of our planet.

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Can someone explain why SV tech workers are more left-wing to me as an outsider? I always thought these tech workers were more libertarian.

Silicon Valley used to be very Libertarian.

In the 2004 presidential election, the San Jose districts had the highest turnout for the Libertarian candidate nationwide.

San Jose is still fairly Libertarian (the San Jose newspaper is still the most conservative in the Bay Area with a very Libertarian slant).

But the nexus of SIlicon Valley has been migrating north for a long time. SF has always been very liberal, and as the nexus of tech moves towards SF, so does it’s politics.

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