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We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

saiya-jin wrote: post #10
dr_dshiv wrote: post #7

I loved the story. It spoke to me. I'm optimistic. Things work in cycles. I think I know what would happen next. First, the human touch component would move out of the commodified middle class model to high-cost gentrified models and to low/no cost homebrew models. Second, the middle class psychedelic exposure would result in hundreds of thousands more psychedelically adept humans, inspired to create meaningful, conn…

> we appear to live in a good world that offers us a beautiful future. That sounds quite entitled. Sure, if you are a well-off individual in one of western democracies, or one of very few riding the success wave elsewhere. For the rest, the world is changing for sure, some things get better, many things (environment, true freedom) are getting worse. The sentiment you describe was common for hippies too, world-reshapi…

The world is getting better in many measurable ways. Access to reliable food, clean water, medical treatment, education, opportunities for women, and many others is up across the world.

Of course that's cold comfort to the people in places that are still going downhill, or who are "getting better" but still pretty shit. And environmental catastrophe is an existential threat. So it's not all sunshine and lollipops. But I don't think it's reasonable to say we're sliding straight into the abyss, either.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by virtualwhys »

Beautiful parody of a possible future, this was incredibly well written and designed.

As it stands it's not uncommon to pay around $200/night for Ayahuasca retreats (plus $75/night lodging), and 5-MEO DMT, $200 on the low end and $1K+ in places like Los Angeles, for a 10-20 minute experience beyond experience. I've met more than one shaman/business owner absolutely raking it in, booked solid, turning people away due to overwhelming demand.

Needless to say it's a lucrative market, not out of the realm of possibility to see big pharma getting in on the action if legalization moves beyond marijuana.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by realthing »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #17

This story is fiction? Man I did not get that until I googled for a few of the company and individual names and came up with nothing. What are the real analogous companies? Is this story actually illustrative of the recent history and state of this industry?

Of course its fiction - psychedelics are highly illegal in the US. There are some slow movements towards that changing (Mushrooms are decriminalized in some states AFAIK), but other than that, they remain a criminal issue in the eyes of the government.

I think this stories poses a possible reality in the not too distant future, though. How distant remains to be seen. Looking at the pattern of cannabis' journey to legality, I Imagine psychedelic therapy is still some decade away, at least..

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by realthing »

lostgame wrote: post #4

Brutal honesty: You just caught me k-holed at a rave in Toronto reading this and I feel like I have just lived a lifetime. Wow. Insanely well written. Also: glad I’m not one of the pioneers, unfortunately.

dude, when they said tune in and drop out, they didnt mean tune in to hackernews.. lol

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Post by claylimo »

empath75 wrote: post #20
basq wrote: post #11

In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong. What's the difference between psychedelics and…

A psychedelic church would just end up being a tax-dodge for drug dealers probably.

While not totally what you are describing there is Santo Daime although it is more religous based.

There is also Soul Quest Ayahuasca Church in Orlando which seems to operate in the public.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by LukeWalsh »

I had a thought that this is even beyond the word psychedelia and extends more broadly to all modern health. But then, I think the word is just right, since psychedelia has as much to do with LSD as vitamins have to do with vitamin water. If you disagree with the analogy that’s no issue, it’s simply A Catchy Hook.

Psychedelic simply means expansion of the mind and is independent of any particular practice or substance.

Mindfulness seems to be another, or even, “the,” new culmination word for “safe” psychedelia in the west (as contrast with the “unsafe” roll-your-own a.la burning man). We can tell it’s the current culmination word because it’s polarized, the one word with a significant amount of scientific research, but then at the same time oddly clinical and paradoxically overall too LuLu lemon & vitamin water. It just doesn’t seem to have that same oomph as eating acid and stealing fire in the desert, but it’s receiving medical approvals that pave the way for economics to benefit people at scale. Mindfulness seems to encourage passivity, but then it’s practiced by navy seals. At the core, it’s all wrong by placing too much focus on the mind, just like we’ve always done in Latin-based languages.

Whatever the word is, developing a perspective that we individually believe is worth cultivating is the root of a connection between well-being and performance.

It doesn’t sound like a SASS app because it isn’t. It doesn’t seem like a good business idea because business is a dirty word, like mindfulness, people think there’s a way to do it.

Two quotes stood out to me:

“But what we really need are psychedelic models for business - business that defines new standards for integrity, equity and ethics; business reimagined with a technicolor glow.”

“What would I have done if I had known that this would happen?”

The second seems like exactly the right question. If you have an answer I’d love to chat, even just for fun.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by LukeWalsh »

LukeWalsh wrote: post #26

I had a thought that this is even beyond the word psychedelia and extends more broadly to all modern health. But then, I think the word is just right, since psychedelia has as much to do with LSD as vitamins have to do with vitamin water. If you disagree with the analogy that’s no issue, it’s simply A Catchy Hook. Psychedelic simply means expansion of the mind and is independent of any particular practice or substanc…

Actually now I’m confused because I don’t understand Latin. Psyche definitely gets at the mind idea, but also soul or spirit. Ick sounds like what I do before I vomit but I guess “delic” is really what we’d be concerned about, but then this seems like it’s just talking about an experience of the first thing, an arrow pointing back to an amorphous blob of language. I’m not sure if it’s better or worse that I brought my own preconceptions to the word at this point, or how my preconceptions are different from the thing itself. I’m seeing other interpretations talking about dissolution. It’s certainly something big happening, that’s for sure! In a way, I’m also confused about mindfulness. Is my mind full or is the fullness of mind different from that? Does it mean something that there’s only one “L?”

Absolutely I think the next interesting discussions could either be about the word, or what to do.

Again, thanks to the author for properly choosing A New Brand, with existing baggage which perfectly typifies where discussions like this tend to go, see comments below.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by LukeWalsh »

LukeWalsh wrote: post #28
LukeWalsh wrote: post #26

I had a thought that this is even beyond the word psychedelia and extends more broadly to all modern health. But then, I think the word is just right, since psychedelia has as much to do with LSD as vitamins have to do with vitamin water. If you disagree with the analogy that’s no issue, it’s simply A Catchy Hook. Psychedelic simply means expansion of the mind and is independent of any particular practice or substanc…

Actually now I’m confused because I don’t understand Latin. Psyche definitely gets at the mind idea, but also soul or spirit. Ick sounds like what I do before I vomit but I guess “delic” is really what we’d be concerned about, but then this seems like it’s just talking about an experience of the first thing, an arrow pointing back to an amorphous blob of language. I’m not sure if it’s better or worse that I brought m…

WOW now I’m even more confused on how Latin is different from Greek.

I should not be listened to when it comes to the words.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Post by LukeWalsh »

LukeWalsh wrote: post #29
LukeWalsh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually now I’m confused because I don’t understand Latin. Psyche definitely gets at the mind idea, but also soul or spirit. Ick sounds like what I do before I vomit but I guess “delic” is really what we’d be concerned about, but then this seems like it’s just talking about an experience of the first thing, an arrow pointing back to an amorphous blob of language. I’m not sure if it’s better or worse that I brought m…

WOW now I’m even more confused on how Latin is different from Greek. I should not be listened to when it comes to the words.

Fuck your burn!
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