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Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by nullc » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:17 PM UTC

caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

> the social justice/accuracy concerns

Unfortunately there has been a major cultural shift in the national ACLU. They are now largely uninterested in defending strong sense personal freedom and instead much more interested in social justice. :( (The frown isn't that I think such causes are bad, but only that I don't think that the loss of a strong defense of constitutional free speech is good). If you think I'm exaggerating, you might find this eye opening: https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/20180621AC...

I'm not aware of any large organization that is willing to defend deplorable persons and groups like the westborough church trolls for the sake of preserving the same freedoms for everyone, not like the ACLU of old did.

I do understand that the social justice oriented activities have been utterly phenomenal for ACLU fundraising, however. Particularly because they achieve significant traction on social media... After all, who really gets all that excited about the ACLU defending some piece-of-crap pedophile? Unglamorous civil rights work just doesn't pay like riding the latest waves.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by landcoctos » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:17 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #9

Ironically, it's impossible to read this ACLU page without enabling Javascript, which opens one up to more browser fingerprinting attacks, potential Javascript vulenrabilities, and tracking.

Came to post the exact same thing. Nor does reader mode work.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by monksy » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:17 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #2

After listening to Joe Rogan's interview with Edward Snowden I bought and listened to his book "Permanent Record." At this point I have to assume that at least a dozen agencies in a handful of countries are watching me through my webcam as I type this message right now. Snowden suggested (or at least I inferred) that he didn't reveal all there is to know about the scope of government surveillance and it's only logica…

Ducktape man. That'll solve the problem.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by monksy » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:18 PM UTC

balt_s wrote: post #10

hackerrenews wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN. Could also put in an entirely passive NIDS on a physical layer in-line with your network’s service entrance. Very difficult for anyone to defeat, when done right. Apologies for term misuse.

Or perhaps "the only winning move is not to play". I hear it is difficult to surveil through books.

Not unless they require your id to buy the book or check it out.

The book store El Ateneo Grand Splendid requested my passport to buy the book "Argentinian Cooking". WTF

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by maximente » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:23 PM UTC

dorchadas wrote: post #14

caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

Sadly, I know a lot of people who are ok with that. They're very much of the opinion, "Well, I'm doing nothing wrong, so I don't care. Especially if it helps catch bad guys". Not really sure how to fight that.

- do you know anyone who has been stalked, harassed, worse? or: do you have kids?

- yes (hopefully)

- would you tolerate use of software that allows users to more effectively stalk, harass, or worse? [especially your kids?]

- no (hopefully)

- are you aware that software with that power exists today, and that since at least 2007 some of its users have been convicted of using it for stalking/harassing/worse?

- no, tell me more (hopefully)

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #2

After listening to Joe Rogan's interview with Edward Snowden I bought and listened to his book "Permanent Record." At this point I have to assume that at least a dozen agencies in a handful of countries are watching me through my webcam as I type this message right now. Snowden suggested (or at least I inferred) that he didn't reveal all there is to know about the scope of government surveillance and it's only logica…

I think after Khashoggi's death the extent of surveillance could be evaluated based on the fact that US president had the option to review it. Guy was killed in a consulate in Turkey and, at the very least, US had audio ready to analyze.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

balt_s wrote: post #10

hackerrenews wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN. Could also put in an entirely passive NIDS on a physical layer in-line with your network’s service entrance. Very difficult for anyone to defeat, when done right. Apologies for term misuse.

Or perhaps "the only winning move is not to play". I hear it is difficult to surveil through books.

Even if you don't enough people do. My wife still uses FB. Amazon just came up with echo in frames. The privacy quickly becomes a luxury available only to select few.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by vthriller » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:34 PM UTC

kick wrote: post #13

throw1234651234 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am hard-pressed to think of a popular page which doesn't use JavaScript.

"doesn't use JavaScript" and "can't work without JavaScript" are two separate issues. Google, the most popular page on the internet, doesn't force you to use Javascript.

> Google ... doesn't force you to use Javascript.

About 3 months ago Google became unusable when browsed through w3m: search results are not rendered as links, just as a regular text that can't be followed-through. They clearly assume you always browse with js enabled, I can't think of any other explanation.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by diego » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:36 PM UTC

monksy wrote: post #24

balt_s wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps "the only winning move is not to play". I hear it is difficult to surveil through books.

Not unless they require your id to buy the book or check it out. The book store El Ateneo Grand Splendid requested my passport to buy the book "Argentinian Cooking". WTF

Were you paying with a credit card? In Argentina the norm is to ask for id when paying with credit card, and if you're a foreigner the default would be to ask for your passport.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by the_af » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:37 PM UTC

caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

> I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this

Do you mean like the historical racism and anti-black bias of the FBI, as mentioned in the article? I want it emphasized.

Like someone else said, a lot of people are fine with some authority they perceive as benevolent (or as fighting evildoers) to control every detail of their lives. They would answer your question with "yes, I don't have anything to hide." So it's important to remind them of examples of authorities grossly misbehaving while supposedly acting for the common good.