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It’s the End of California as We Know It

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Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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Part of the issue is definitely that California is the biggest, most influential, and one of the wealthiest states. The federal government is less incentivized to help us out in some ways, because theoretically, we can afford it.

But in aggregate, this is really what the people of California wanted. Suburbanization is popular at the voting booth, as are low property taxes. Californians wanted to freeze time in the 80s and that's what they got.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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I'm a freelance web developer from rural Indiana and want to move somewhere in the US I can at least possibly stay for a decade or more. Does anyone recommend a city/state that will survive the climate apocalypse, that is well managed, and/or that is doing everything the author of this article is saying California isn't doing? I've had a hard time figuring out where to live since I don't have to be anywhere in partic…

Sure, Detroit! Michigan is relatively insulated from climate change, is on the up economically speaking, reasonable property values, and a decent tech scene. Access to concerts and a thriving art scene. Plus you'd be close to home. The worst thing we have is the winters.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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To paraphrase James Carville, "It's the people, stupid". It seems like there's a lot of Californians who talk about sustainability, but then turn right around and vote in people who continue to promote suburban sprawl, single family houses, zoning that doesn't promote density, and lack of investment in public transportation.

I think part of this is national politics pushing out state politics. Every statewide California race recently has felt like a foregone conclusion. Either the Democrat beats the Republican by a huge margin, or one Democrat beats another Democrat while the two agree on all policies. California just doesn’t have the one-party-against-another politics that make democracy work.

Even if it’s always a Democrat they must still be competing with each other just as fiercely to get selected to be the Democratic candidate?

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you just bored with rural Indiana? Can’t imagine the climate apocalypse will do as much damage to the midwest.

We may not end up underwater, but ecosystem collapse leading to famine, and increased pressure on all sorts of support systems due to the need to direct aid to people from coastal areas, are both going to affect people everywhere.

Do you honestly believe that famine is going to affect the middle of the United States in, say, the next 100 years?

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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Sometimes i wonder... Washington doesnt have the income tax, but it feels much better there. Am i imagining this?

I was thinking along the same lines. I live in a state with less government (and less proportional revenue), we don't have the kinds of problems California does.

I live in Missouri we don't get paid as much as people in California but we don't have their problems here. I live near Ferguson where the riots took place. Peacefull now. Most good IT jobs are in Ballwin.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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I'm a freelance web developer from rural Indiana and want to move somewhere in the US I can at least possibly stay for a decade or more. Does anyone recommend a city/state that will survive the climate apocalypse, that is well managed, and/or that is doing everything the author of this article is saying California isn't doing? I've had a hard time figuring out where to live since I don't have to be anywhere in partic…

Seattle?

Slated to get a pretty major earth quake at some point.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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Somehow I feel this is not only a California problem but the whole US. The country seems to be incapable of or unwilling to address fundamental problems. Instead you are getting endless political fights while infrastructure is falling apart. The contrasts in Silicon Valley and LA are extreme. You have some of the richest people in the world living in beautiful mansions with cities around them full of homeless people,…

Yeah, I'm concerned that what we're seeing around the country is institutional decay.

We've been increasingly replacing competence with people who tell us what we want to hear. Entertainment over substance. Short-term, feel good solutions over thoughtful long-term solutions.

Now the results of that are starting to manifest.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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post #8

To paraphrase James Carville, "It's the people, stupid". It seems like there's a lot of Californians who talk about sustainability, but then turn right around and vote in people who continue to promote suburban sprawl, single family houses, zoning that doesn't promote density, and lack of investment in public transportation.

California's government isn't so hot either.

Is this a symptom of one party governance? It's certainly not because of a lack of money or progressiveness. If anything, I would expect that the California state government would be leading in all of these issues.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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Somehow I feel this is not only a California problem but the whole US. The country seems to be incapable of or unwilling to address fundamental problems. Instead you are getting endless political fights while infrastructure is falling apart. The contrasts in Silicon Valley and LA are extreme. You have some of the richest people in the world living in beautiful mansions with cities around them full of homeless people,…

Yeah, I'm concerned that what we're seeing around the country is institutional decay. We've been increasingly replacing competence with people who tell us what we want to hear. Entertainment over substance. Short-term, feel good solutions over thoughtful long-term solutions. Now the results of that are starting to manifest.

Always an appropriate time to remember that Rome didn't fall in a day. We seem to be experiencing the proverbial frog-boil IMHO.

Re: It’s the End of California as We Know It

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It's funny because having lived outside of the US, it has always blown my mind how extraordinarily well California/the US handles natural disasters like wildfires. The worst wildfire season ever in a state of 40M people, 18,000 buildings destroyed and fewer than 100 people died?!?

Similarly the infrastructure/public services are quite incredible in the US. I grew up with daily 6 hour blackouts and water brought in by truck because there the city didn't have a working water supply network.

We shouldn't be content with how things are and the article makes some valid points that I'm not trying to diminish, but it doesn't hurt to have a little appreciation for what incredibly high standards we have here before calling California a 'dystopian apocalypse'.

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