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Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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Has anyone else found that people who are really into rock climbing always feel the need to bring climbing up?

It the new skiing. Or maybe sailing and golfing, to a smaller extent. A thing well-off professionals go do (and yes, not just them, same as the other things) then come back and talk about.

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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The very interesting trend right now is there are so many new climbing shoes vendors start appearing within a couple of years. I suspect it's because the Olympic accepted free climbing.

I was skeptical at first on these freshly new shoes vendors, but when I tried out their products, it's on-par quality with the existing vendors. Even more, often time, these newcomers has far durable product than the traditional vendors.

My guess is, traditional vendors aimed for the too high end product and losing the durability. They aimed for the high friction and more natural naked foot feeling, resulting their sole ever softer rubber and thinner. Usual climbing shoes sole has 4mm thick. But these high end product go as thin as 2.5mm.

If your weight isn't less than 50kg, you'll wear it out in 3 month.

My other complaint for a particular famous Italian climbing shoes vendor is, that they don't use strong glue. Perhaps, Italia is less humid than Japan so their glue doesn't need to be that strong, but this particular Italian-made shoes has serious issues on their glue so the shoes start to disassemble itself before the sole wear out.

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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Has anyone else found that people who are really into rock climbing always feel the need to bring climbing up?

Having gotten pretty into climbing in the past year, I'll agree that it's an easy tendency to have. Climbing requires a lot of time and dedication to see steady improvement, and as a result, I find that it's one of the main hobbies/passions for many in the sport. Most people like to bring up their strong interests in conversation, but sometimes the jargon and general narratives around climbing can definitely be off-putting to someone less invested in it.

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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It still amazes me how climbing gear continues to find ways to improve every year. The pads I land on and the shoes I climb in today are undeniably better than the ones I was using just five years ago.

Take shoes. Here's what the brand new Scarpa Instinct looked like nine years ago:

https://www.climbing.com/gear/new-and-notable-scarpa-instinc...

Notice the tiny scrap of rubber they stuck on to the top of the thing. That was revolutionary at the time. Today, that rubber takes over the whole upper surface of the shoe. Here's a pair of mine in action last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcN3WETCDzM

Trust me, I tried that problem quite a bit harder back before rubber-topped shoes came into vogue, and there was no holding that toe hook. The method of the day was to use your heel, which was, well, harder.

If you check out the shoe range of just that one company, you'll find that this is like their fifth most technical shoe. Kept around because old timers like me still like them.

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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"And to return to Alex Honnold, perhaps the most important lesson a free-market loving economist should draw is that sometimes people will do extraordinary things without the motivation of money." My dad likes to visit the same coffee shop every morning, where he sees more or less the same people. He likes to show his friends pictures of his son on big routes in Yosemite or the Andes, preferring the ones with danglin…

> sometimes people will do extraordinary things without the motivation of money Spending money and doing things will always be more fun than earning money. People earn money to spend it on pursuits like rock climbing, even if climbing the rock itself is free, buying the equipment and taking time off to climb it costs money, so those extraordinary things were done thanks to an earlier motivation to make money.

Rock climbing has a very long and storied history of climbers living on absolute scraps to get by, just so they can climb more. This persists in the culture to this day. Yvonne Chouinard, depicted in the article, was one of those climbers. He tells stories of eating catfood and stealing leftovers from the hotels in Yosemite Valley to survive.

While you're right that making money helps people live an easier life more able to do extraordinary things, climbing culture exemplifies those extraordinary things are possible without it. Much of the development of modern climbing was done with almost no money.

Read Steve Roper's "Camp 4".

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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Has anyone else found that people who are really into rock climbing always feel the need to bring climbing up?

People like talking about things they are passionate about. For better or worse, climbing is the new "Tech Basic" thing to do, where lots of people in tech are recently getting into it, and therefore excited about it. It's a natural consequence, and a fact of human existence. People talk about their pets a lot because they spend a lot of time and energy with their pets. Same for kids. Same for programmers (who do it beyond work).

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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It still amazes me how climbing gear continues to find ways to improve every year. The pads I land on and the shoes I climb in today are undeniably better than the ones I was using just five years ago. Take shoes. Here's what the brand new Scarpa Instinct looked like nine years ago: https://www.climbing.com/gear/new-and-notable-scarpa-instinc... Notice the tiny scrap of rubber they stuck on to the top of the thing. T…

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcN3WETCDzM

That's a beautiful line!

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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"And to return to Alex Honnold, perhaps the most important lesson a free-market loving economist should draw is that sometimes people will do extraordinary things without the motivation of money." My dad likes to visit the same coffee shop every morning, where he sees more or less the same people. He likes to show his friends pictures of his son on big routes in Yosemite or the Andes, preferring the ones with danglin…

Sometimes is far from always, most people are not too excited about their job but they still wake up every morning to work. Most of them don't do extraordinary things, they do mundane and boring things which must be done to sustain the human race. They definitely do it for the money and no other reason. The few who make their hobby their main pursuit are few and far between and many time this hobby turns into their job.

Re: Rock climbing and the economics of innovation

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Has anyone else found that people who are really into rock climbing always feel the need to bring climbing up?

People like talking about things they are passionate about. For better or worse, climbing is the new "Tech Basic" thing to do, where lots of people in tech are recently getting into it, and therefore excited about it. It's a natural consequence, and a fact of human existence. People talk about their pets a lot because they spend a lot of time and energy with their pets. Same for kids. Same for programmers (who do it…

I hate being basic and following the crowd, but climbing is just so much fun. It is the most fun activity I've done, up there with Soccer....and easily the most fun individual activity.

The reward after doing a tough route is just incredible.

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