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Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by sumitviii »

greggman2 wrote: post #18
bsenftner wrote: post #8

The ban is not going to happen. It's an issue of public safety and venue liability. FR use at video game conferences is a must, because every one has a series of morons threatening the venue, the conference, and the host. It is very difficult today to host any type of public event without multiple individuals taking their displeasure to extreme levels and making threats they might carry out. For such reasons, FR is b…

what changed? FR didn't exist 10 years ago but the events did so why do the events need FR now?

dons tinfoil hat

Maybe because the FR industry is the one that's delivering those death threats?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by bsenftner »

michaelt wrote: post #16
bsenftner wrote: post #8

The ban is not going to happen. It's an issue of public safety and venue liability. FR use at video game conferences is a must, because every one has a series of morons threatening the venue, the conference, and the host. It is very difficult today to host any type of public event without multiple individuals taking their displeasure to extreme levels and making threats they might carry out. For such reasons, FR is b…

It was my understanding that most people who threaten venues do so anonymously, making facial recognition useless - can you cite any sources saying this isn't the case?

Most people that threaten venues do so via email, or make statements of intent in social media. Places where their identity is known or easily acquired. People who make these threats are emotional and non-rational. The threats are bogus, but must be followed up due to liabilities. I know, because I and one of the security guys that has to respond to them.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by mc32 »

michaelt wrote: post #19
mc32 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to avoid liability ala Mandalay Bay.

Wikipedia tells me the shooter "was a high-stakes gambler who placed bets at a high enough level to earn valuable comps—free benefits such as rooms and meals." If they'd had facial recognition, it'd only be for staff to treat him as a VIP.

No one said it was a rational decision. No one should reach they conclusion that they are liable for his actions, but here we are with them (their insurance) paying out.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by gdhbcc »

learc83 wrote: post #17
anilakar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live, work permits are so easy (or automatic through the virtue of being in Schengen area) to get that illegal immigration basically does not exist, so the whole idea is vague at best to me.

Where in the Schengen area does illegal immigration basically not exist?

Vatican for example

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by infinitezest »

empath75 wrote: post #7
anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Someone always makes this comment every time illegal immigration is mentioned as if the law is the final word on what is just. And then they’ll complain about someone going to prison for being a whistleblower or pirating movies or cheer on the protestors in Hong Kong.

I didn't see anything in OP's comment about whistleblowers, pirating or HK.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

> Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

This is a pure strawman.

The efforts and the social impact of chasing people doing something illegal must be balanced with the seriousness of the crime.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by bsenftner »

greggman2 wrote: post #18
bsenftner wrote: post #8

The ban is not going to happen. It's an issue of public safety and venue liability. FR use at video game conferences is a must, because every one has a series of morons threatening the venue, the conference, and the host. It is very difficult today to host any type of public event without multiple individuals taking their displeasure to extreme levels and making threats they might carry out. For such reasons, FR is b…

what changed? FR didn't exist 10 years ago but the events did so why do the events need FR now?

Yeah, 10 years ago a venue receiving threats had to purchase additional insurance, hire additional security, and run a SWAT team like surveillance operation. After that became routine, every venue that can host any gathering of any size became a security sink that ate attention and distracted potential opportunities as public levels of casual violence simply skyrocketed to the levels we see today.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by matz1 »

greggman2 wrote: post #18
bsenftner wrote: post #8

The ban is not going to happen. It's an issue of public safety and venue liability. FR use at video game conferences is a must, because every one has a series of morons threatening the venue, the conference, and the host. It is very difficult today to host any type of public event without multiple individuals taking their displeasure to extreme levels and making threats they might carry out. For such reasons, FR is b…

what changed? FR didn't exist 10 years ago but the events did so why do the events need FR now?

I would guess because it was a lot more difficult and costly to handle those threat 10 years ago.
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