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Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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I find more intriguing/interesting than the whole actual Estonian e-id/whatever technological achievements, that the President of a country writes an article (of course not very critical on the way the governement administration is managed) on qz.com.

See also, Erdogan on WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-is-stepping-up-where-oth...

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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A lot is said about Estonia but Lithuania is better positioned and grows faster than Estonia. It's interesting but to me Estonia cant quite compete with its neighbors to the point of becoming wealthier than they are now.

I think this competitevness is stupid and Baltic countries should stand together because of so much history.

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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If you're thinking about starting a company in Estonia under the "e-residency" program, you should know that Estonian banks have recently become very skeptical about opening bank accounts for foreigners. It's not enough that you have an Estonian corporation, you'll probably be expected to demonstrate that your business has actual ties to Estonia.

Finnish entrepreneurs are being denied bank accounts despite the close ties of the two countries: https://www.hs.fi/talous/art-2000006279056.html (Article in Finnish only, sorry)

The background for this change is a huge money laundering scandal where Estonian banks took in Russian money over decades with very few questions asked... It sucks that "little guy" startup founders are the ones getting excluded, but that's how it goes.

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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I've run and invested in businesses in multiple countries (Spain, Germany, US, UAE, Sri Lanka). One of them (Mobile Jazz - a fully remote company) we've moved to Estonia in 2016. One of the best business decisions we've made admin-wise. While there are for sure better alternatives when it comes to "saving on taxes" (I'd say Estonia is in the European average with 20% corporate tax and an interesting taxation model on…

Important to note that this 20% corporate tax is applied to the taxable payment (e.g. dividend payouts). There are no taxes to pay for the yearly profit, which makes it much easier for companies that do plan to reinvest the income over the years or just hold it. Also, one should probably have employees or customers physically in Estonia, otherwise the company tax residency might change into other jurisdictions.. IANA…

> Also, one should probably have employees or customers physically in Estonia, otherwise the company tax residency might change into other jurisdictions.. IANAL.

You no longer need physical presence with their e-Residency program.

[1] https://e-resident.gov.ee

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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I find more intriguing/interesting than the whole actual Estonian e-id/whatever technological achievements, that the President of a country writes an article (of course not very critical on the way the governement administration is managed) on qz.com.

Would you be as surprised if given equivalent technological achievements the mayor of, say, Oklahoma City or Richmond VA, did some horn tooting on qz.com to try to drum up outside investment and interest? Estonia’s population is between that of those two modestly sized metros.

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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Rememeber: We're talking about a country that had to be bootstrapped after the fall of Soviet Union. They have had very little legacy (as in "old but not old enough to warrant a replacement") tech and legislation to deal with.

My personal favorite is their wireless PSTN: Take existing NMT technology and give people tabletop terminals that will accommodate ordinary analog phones.

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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A lot is said about Estonia but Lithuania is better positioned and grows faster than Estonia. It's interesting but to me Estonia cant quite compete with its neighbors to the point of becoming wealthier than they are now.

I think this competitevness is stupid and Baltic countries should stand together because of so much history.

I agree, mostly because I think it's just practical for small markets (like ~1 million person countries) to band together but I remember in Estonia everyone always thought of themselves more as a Nordic country rather than a Baltic one

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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I've run and invested in businesses in multiple countries (Spain, Germany, US, UAE, Sri Lanka). One of them (Mobile Jazz - a fully remote company) we've moved to Estonia in 2016. One of the best business decisions we've made admin-wise. While there are for sure better alternatives when it comes to "saving on taxes" (I'd say Estonia is in the European average with 20% corporate tax and an interesting taxation model on…

Important to note that this 20% corporate tax is applied to the taxable payment (e.g. dividend payouts). There are no taxes to pay for the yearly profit, which makes it much easier for companies that do plan to reinvest the income over the years or just hold it. Also, one should probably have employees or customers physically in Estonia, otherwise the company tax residency might change into other jurisdictions.. IANA…

Latvia has a similar corporate income tax model which is also good for reinvesting. Essentially 0% corporate income tax until you want to pay out.

Re: Estonia is running its country like a tech company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important to note that this 20% corporate tax is applied to the taxable payment (e.g. dividend payouts). There are no taxes to pay for the yearly profit, which makes it much easier for companies that do plan to reinvest the income over the years or just hold it. Also, one should probably have employees or customers physically in Estonia, otherwise the company tax residency might change into other jurisdictions.. IANA…

> Also, one should probably have employees or customers physically in Estonia, otherwise the company tax residency might change into other jurisdictions.. IANAL. You no longer need physical presence with their e-Residency program. [1] https://e-resident.gov.ee

You no longer need physical presence to register your company and do business through the programme but you should still be very careful about taxation, tax residency whether personal or corporate gets very complex very fast and I highly recommend talking to a tax expert
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