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On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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Isn't the posting of the article itself in breach of those violations?

It is. Even the title refers to politics.

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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This is just really confusing to me. I had no idea that propaganda was so resurgent in Russia. I thought openness to modern/popular media would have knocked down a lot of misinformation about "the west". I think of Russians as being active participants on the Internet; I would have thought that this would keep a bit of a lid on single-point-of-view propaganda. (Obviously there's plenty of misinformation on the intern…

Only 1/3rd of russians can speak english, supposedly -- and most of Russian language media online is controlled from moscow.

Only? ~33% is a high number that is also not reasonably close to being correct (as your supposedly is correctly suspicious of). I saw that figure on the Russia Beyond site, it's heavily misleading. Russia is rather notorious for having a very low percentage of English speakers.

By contrast, 33% is nearly as high as in France and Italy and is far higher than in Spain. Obviously it's false.

Only 3% of Russians are fluent in English. Only 5% spoke English as of the 2010 census. Even that is probably a stretch, as it's just a result of listing languages people claimed to know (which says nothing of the true capability). If we were generous to the last decade of English adoption, it's likely still well under 10% that speak it at all. You can also see this in action in Eastern Ukraine and Belarus, where English adoption is extremely low compared to most of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-s...

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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>Going on vacation, several said, meant sitting in a hotel room You missed the "going on vacation" part I guess, though perhaps you believe people in Norilsk "go on vacation" by booking a hotel room in Norilsk.

Norilsk is famous for their staycations

Come experience the world famous staycations of Norilsk. People travel from around the world to staycate here.

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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This is just really confusing to me. I had no idea that propaganda was so resurgent in Russia. I thought openness to modern/popular media would have knocked down a lot of misinformation about "the west". I think of Russians as being active participants on the Internet; I would have thought that this would keep a bit of a lid on single-point-of-view propaganda. (Obviously there's plenty of misinformation on the intern…

> Why is Russia pushing so hard to spread Internet access in such a situation? The authorities fully recognize the utility value of it, in terms of productivity, communication and economy broadly. So in line with that they're simultaneously crafting the beginnings of Russia's version of the Chinese firewall (some have taken to calling it Runet for short; Runet used to be a more generic term referring to sites primari…

"So in line with that they're simultaneously crafting the beginnings of Russia's version of the Chinese firewall"

What they actually doing is making sure that their internal internet based infrastructure does not depend on what POTUS de jour feel like. Russia once had been threatened to be cut off from the Visa and other financial services and that had led them to create their own payment system. After the lesson like this one has to be the ultimate fool to leave one of the most important infrastructure to be controlled by foreign entities.

Trying to spin it as Russia vs democracy is just a propaganda on it's own.

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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Would nice to see this note appearing more often in every second post about China.

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Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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Only 1/3rd of russians can speak english, supposedly -- and most of Russian language media online is controlled from moscow.

Only? ~33% is a high number that is also not reasonably close to being correct (as your supposedly is correctly suspicious of). I saw that figure on the Russia Beyond site, it's heavily misleading. Russia is rather notorious for having a very low percentage of English speakers. By contrast, 33% is nearly as high as in France and Italy and is far higher than in Spain. Obviously it's false. Only 3% of Russians are flue…

I can confirm, Russia has extremely low English competency. 3% sounds about right from my experience (I live here). Which is a good thing of course, as it forces me to learn Russian.

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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This is just really confusing to me. I had no idea that propaganda was so resurgent in Russia. I thought openness to modern/popular media would have knocked down a lot of misinformation about "the west". I think of Russians as being active participants on the Internet; I would have thought that this would keep a bit of a lid on single-point-of-view propaganda. (Obviously there's plenty of misinformation on the intern…

Only 1/3rd of russians can speak english, supposedly -- and most of Russian language media online is controlled from moscow.

Something I was intrigued by is that the VOA has a .ru domain. (This is the Voice of America, which broadcast US propaganda and world news to the Soviet Union during the Cold War)

https://www.golos-ameriki.ru/

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is Russia pushing so hard to spread Internet access in such a situation? The authorities fully recognize the utility value of it, in terms of productivity, communication and economy broadly. So in line with that they're simultaneously crafting the beginnings of Russia's version of the Chinese firewall (some have taken to calling it Runet for short; Runet used to be a more generic term referring to sites primari…

" So in line with that they're simultaneously crafting the beginnings of Russia's version of the Chinese firewall " What they actually doing is making sure that their internal internet based infrastructure does not depend on what POTUS de jour feel like. Russia once had been threatened to be cut off from the Visa and other financial services and that had led them to create their own payment system. After the lesson l…

The independence of infrastructure is the stated goal. But I doubt it's the main one. They've been trying to shut down opposition political commentary[0] by forcing them to move outside of the .ru domain. The next step is to limit the access to non-ru TLDs since they can't control those.

[0] For example, grani.ru had to move to graniru.org several years ago, which was then blocked by most ISPs in Russia due to a government order:

https://grani-ru-org.appspot.com/wiki/Blocked/

Re: On ‘Island’ in Russian Arctic, Arrival of Fast Internet Shakes Political Calm

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Only? ~33% is a high number that is also not reasonably close to being correct (as your supposedly is correctly suspicious of). I saw that figure on the Russia Beyond site, it's heavily misleading. Russia is rather notorious for having a very low percentage of English speakers. By contrast, 33% is nearly as high as in France and Italy and is far higher than in Spain. Obviously it's false. Only 3% of Russians are flue…

I can confirm, Russia has extremely low English competency. 3% sounds about right from my experience (I live here). Which is a good thing of course, as it forces me to learn Russian.

I was pretty surprised recently when I visited St Petersburg. I went on a tour and the tour guide spoke flawless English for the whole three hour tour. Until someone asked her a question in English. And another. And another. And with each one it became more apparent that she did not speak English, she just memorized the tour in English.

One of the more interesting things I took from the trip.

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