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“We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Apart from possible health effects, is anyone else concerned about 5G eventually being used for real-time CCTV surveillance networks with centralized facial recognition? The higher bandwidth (up to 10 Gbps) and higher cell density should support quite a few simultaneous video feeds to a central government location.

This is already the case. I highly recommend you attend any physical security exhibition, CCTV vendors will happily demonstrate the capacity of their facial recognition appliances. (And that’s business grade commercial, imagine mil-spec)

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Is 5G tech at the same Millimeter waves frequencies as those used in airport scanners? I've heard mm scanners as considerably safer than the old backscatter x-rays (although full of false positives and no better than random chance at actually detecting things).

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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For others (like me) to whom the name of the author (Joel Moskowitz) is unfamiliar:

He is a wifi / cell phone radiation "truther" who thinks the EMF in everyday devices causes cancer

https://www.acsh.org/news/2007/02/16/cell-phone-dangers-stil...

The fact that this is in Scientific American, even in the Opinion section, is simultaneously a testament to the openmindedness of science, and quite sad.

After reading his ideas, I think we should all feel a little lucky that Trump hasn't made hime the head of the FCC.

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> Cancer is not the only risk as there is considerable evidence that RFR causes neurological disorders and reproductive harm, likely due to oxidative stress. I mean it can't be good all this radiation exposure. As far as I know, people living near large electrical wire high tension poles are at a higher risk of cancer already. I think so much can already be done with the network bandwidth we already have available. J…

Higher bandwidth brings us closer to obviating wired home internet.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything about him worth mentioning? After a quick search online, at first glance, he looks like a reputable researcher. Does he have industry ties that we should be aware of, reputation issues, conflicts of interest, something else?

I am also unaware of this topic, but this[0] is the second google result when you search his name. [0] https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/28/uc-berkeley-psychologis...

That article is very unprofessional in tone, and quite thin on content. I'm not on any side, but if that is the best criticism of him then I'm now very wary of this technology.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Radiation dosimetry is a combination of:

* Frequency of radiation

* Power of exposure

* Duration of exposure

* Where in the human body absorption is occurring

While the effects of the latter three are pretty well understood for certain kinds of radiation (ionizing and non-ionizing) ranging from "acute radiation sickness due to gamma burst" to "listening to the radio your whole life doesn't have a link to cancer", there is truth that a specific band of millimeter 5G has been less studied than others.

However, science follows patterns, and interpolating the existing data to this sub-infrared region opens a kind of wiggle room similar to, but in fact the opposite to, low dosimetry of ionizing radiation that has given the Linear No Threshold model a run for it's money. Except in this case, skeptics are typically concerned about chemical effects due to subdermal heating (not really as compelling as ionizing radiation effects), or debating the "non-ionizing-ness" (which is less common because its even less supported by evidence).

It comes down to a persons personal risk. In my opinion, the sun beats out all non ionizing radiation concerns, particularly when it comes to heating of the skin and subdermal tissues. Wear a hat and sunscreen (against the sun).

Still worth researching and acknowledging the data gap, as the EU does in its metastudy of 40+ years and X00 scientific papers [0], but there's no reason to be alarmed based on the existing corpus of evidence.

[0] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Edit to add citation

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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well, I was curious about the New Zealand "researchers", first on the list

Tracy Chandler, BSc (Hons) MBChB FRNZCGP FNZSCM, PGDipSEM, Cert Dermoscopy, Cert Homeopathy, MACNEM member.

Homeopathy? ummm...red flag.... ok... maybe an anomaly.... who else from NZ?, huh, no one from any credible research org.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's been spreading arguably misleading information about this topic for ages.

> arguably misleading Argue it then. Many readers will have never heard this name.

I'm not an expert on this field, but I do know how to run the incidence numbers of cancer. One of his claims in the article is that for certain types of head-and-neck cancer, incidence rates are increasing. I cannot find any evidence for this:

I took the numbers from the country I'm familiar with (The Netherlands, which has excellent cell phone penetration), and no matter how I look, if I correct for age, they've only been decreasing. The Dutch registry is also one of the most complete of all European countries.

See https://imgur.com/a/FiNrVCQ, x-axis is year of diagnosis, y-axis is Incidence per 100.000. I used European Standardized Rate correction to correct for changes in age distribution, which is standard here. Top blue line is total, the other lines all denote different origins.

Re: “We have no reason to believe 5G is safe”

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything about him worth mentioning? After a quick search online, at first glance, he looks like a reputable researcher. Does he have industry ties that we should be aware of, reputation issues, conflicts of interest, something else?

I am also unaware of this topic, but this[0] is the second google result when you search his name. [0] https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/02/28/uc-berkeley-psychologis...

I'd rater people attack the argument than the person. 'Truther' and 'Denier' are weasel words designed to discredit and idea without addressing the actual argument. It's like saying "How are you?!" with nothing else to back it up.
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