I have no love lost for new-age fraudsters peddling magical nonsense, but it still feels a tad cowardly to focus your ire on modern self-styled witches for espousing ahistorical belief structures that recycle old material in ways that are at odds with historical fact but is more palatable to the modern masses when, across the country, there are protestant megachurches doing precisely the same thing but with orders of…
A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft
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#22I believe the Virgin Mary is considered to be an aspect of the goddess, like other female deities and divine figures: Aphrodite, Ishtar, Freya, Bast, Kali, etc. In that sense, there is no incongruity.
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#23The author clearly has some valuable historical knowledge. She could have tried to engage with the targets of her snark, and help them see the errors of their ways. Instead, she addresses some third party that she invites to share in on the joke, that is on those dumb people who think medieval witches were pagan, etc. That just borders on an invitation to online bullying, and it's just wrong.
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It's really not. Christianity is a rather uniquely vulnerable religion to getting rationalist holes poked in it because of its insistence on factual historicality of a particular set of events[1], and megachurch Christianity is a deeply weird, heretical offshoot that barely follows mainline Christianity, and it looks like you could blow barn-sized holes in it with a peashooter, because it's held together with ignoran…
Christianity does not require insistence on "factual historicality of a particular set of events", or at least not disprovable ones. That's mostly a Western phenomena, to which American protestants seem particularly prone to the most extreme version of. I think you can ultimately thank Thomas Aquinas for this movement. He was quite fond of a rational basis for God and repackaged the works of Aristotle for this end. B…
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This is still a phenomenon worth examining. How is this cowardly? The author can’t do anything about the IRS. What else is there to say about megachurches that hasn’t been said?
I didn't say anything about the IRS and I didn't say the phenomena should be ignored. I think that the most impactful manifestations of the phenomenon should be the focus of study, on account of being the most impactful. Cowardice seems likely when somebody ignores the high impact manifestation that enjoys popular support, choosing instead to lampoon the low impact fringe manifestation.
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Christianity does not require insistence on "factual historicality of a particular set of events", or at least not disprovable ones. That's mostly a Western phenomena, to which American protestants seem particularly prone to the most extreme version of. I think you can ultimately thank Thomas Aquinas for this movement. He was quite fond of a rational basis for God and repackaged the works of Aristotle for this end. B…
Orthodox Christianity is also not so hung up on the bible and focuses a lot more on the Gospels.
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#27I have no love lost for new-age fraudsters peddling magical nonsense, but it still feels a tad cowardly to focus your ire on modern self-styled witches for espousing ahistorical belief structures that recycle old material in ways that are at odds with historical fact but is more palatable to the modern masses when, across the country, there are protestant megachurches doing precisely the same thing but with orders of…
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It's really not. Christianity is a rather uniquely vulnerable religion to getting rationalist holes poked in it because of its insistence on factual historicality of a particular set of events[1], and megachurch Christianity is a deeply weird, heretical offshoot that barely follows mainline Christianity, and it looks like you could blow barn-sized holes in it with a peashooter, because it's held together with ignoran…
Christianity does not require insistence on "factual historicality of a particular set of events", or at least not disprovable ones. That's mostly a Western phenomena, to which American protestants seem particularly prone to the most extreme version of. I think you can ultimately thank Thomas Aquinas for this movement. He was quite fond of a rational basis for God and repackaged the works of Aristotle for this end. B…
Yes, there are recognizably Christian subgroups that disavow all historical claims (and reinterpret Paul accordingly), but mainstream Christianity has always affirmed the bodily resurrection of Jesus and that (per Paul) this is essential to Christianity ... long before Aquinas.
N. T. Wright's "The Resurrection of the Son of God" is a very good read on this.
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Christianity does not require insistence on "factual historicality of a particular set of events", or at least not disprovable ones. That's mostly a Western phenomena, to which American protestants seem particularly prone to the most extreme version of. I think you can ultimately thank Thomas Aquinas for this movement. He was quite fond of a rational basis for God and repackaged the works of Aristotle for this end. B…
1 Corinthians 15:14 (and context): "if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1... Yes, there are recognizably Christian subgroups that disavow all historical claims (and reinterpret Paul accordingly), but mainstream Christianity has always affirmed the bodily resurrection of Jesus and that (per Paul) this is essential to C…
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#30The paragraph with the quote by Dakota Bracciale about witchcraft being practiced by people who were outliers -- may or may not be true. But how does this claim impunity for magical attacks, as the author states? Some witchcraft was practiced by rich and famous people -- they wrote about it in books -- and some of them attacked people magically (or tried to depending on what you believe). What does being an outsider have to do with launching magical attacks? Does this parse through the bit about being arbiter of their own justice? It seems a bit presumptuous -- what do attacks necessarily have to do with justice?
Say I substitute Christian in for witch. "I will argue that modern [evangelical Christians in the US] are themselves prodcuts of the very globalized, commercial, urban and anywhere culture which they set out to resist, because rather than reacting against those trends, they are turning what might once have been a genuinely radical alternative into another form of self-care." I'd stand by that sentence.
One of the primary problems with the article is conflating Pagans who are pagan as a primary religious affiliation, goddess-worshippers, people dabbling in planetary magick, people who just want to make a nice herbal face cream that reminds themselves of some idealised quality, Wiccans, people who decorate with crystals (she doesn't even mention crystals!! Big business, folks!), etc. Moreover, I don't understand her wish to distinguish "spells" from "prayer". Yep, they're meant to do the same thing: concentrate the will and the heart on something. She seemingly admits that with her hail Mary give me a parking spot riff (which I too have used!). So why does she think this conflation of spell and prayer is going to upset the Oracle of Los Angeles?
It seems to me that the author simply doesn't know a lot about modern witchery and its variety. One internet witchy guru I've read talks reasonably often about "the queer witch Jesus"; the intertwining of Christianity and heterodox/local/pagan/witchy habits and belief systems is unavoidable to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of European beliefs and fairy tales. The author's portrayal of modern witches as denying this intertwining is simply ignorant.
And then there's the bit saying, witches historically didn't practice sisterhood, because other women accused them of being witches (? non sequitur). Follow it up with the claim that it's seers and healers who most often accuse other women of witchcraft. Ok. Could be true, could be false. Then "Any professional woman will understand that she and not her male colleague is likely to be the subject of accusations from below." I'm an almost 40 year old professional woman. This is news to me; I haven't really seen any accusations from below other than "she/he is an ineffective manager" and "he slept with that undergrad," which was true and also ignored by everyone ever. What am I going to be accused of? Ah -- like Hillary Clinton, I'll be accused of killing Vince Foster. The beginning of the paragraph though implies I should be accused of killing Vince Foster by a seer or healer. Hm. And then we swing to, "by contrast [...], the medieval Green Knight -- despite his appearance -- is not a baddie or an evil overlord." Where did the Green Knight come from?! How do we then get to Beowulf in the next sentence?! One paragraph that claims feminist solidarity is a joke among medieval witches that careens through Vince Foster to Beowulf without any argument made? Where is the editor for this thing????!!!! This is reading like one of the more poorly-written student papers I've graded -- use enough big words in grammatically-correct configurations and surely someone will think you're eloquent and/or actually making a point. It works fine if the essay is graded by machine [1].
I give up.
If anyone understands how Beowulf and Vince Foster relate to feminist solidarity, let me know.