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Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
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Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#22Genuine question: Who benefits when everything we ever do, say, etc. is permanently recorded on a grand, systemtic level?
Who benefits if we legally create the ability to delete history?
The internet is not, nor was it ever, intended to provide the world a canonical and immutable record of "history." To claim that deleting content from the internet is tantamount to "deleting history" is absurd.
It's always been legal for a search engine or a website to unpublish or remove content. The only thing the right to be forgotten does is establish that a person has some form of ownership over content that's published about them, and the right to have it removed in some cases.
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#23What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave.
When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I should be able to talk about my experience with someone else in a public forum, even if that information is something that person doesn't want others to know. Europe right to be forgotten only applies to publicly indexed searches, not the content - according to the top court Nothing you said seems to be the reality that exists So just bookmark a page and revisit it later, the tools have existed since the 90s
That's not true, just yesterday there was trending article[1] about journalist who was forced to take down the article. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21047308
The use has broadened as member states interpret it differently
The EU top court has been consistent that only de-referencing needs to occur
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#25I was recently browsing the terms and agreements of a Swiss online merchant and stumbled upon this, 'Swiss law requires us to archive business data for 10+ years. This means that we do not have the right to "forget" you.' [1] It's unclear to me how Europeans have a right to be forgotten given the above. [1] https://www.swissmicros.com/terms.php
Switzerland isn’t part of the EU. They are free to have laws that conflict with the EU’s laws.
Ah, of course. And the GDPR section on their site is probably for their EU customers.
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#26Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#27I'm surprised everyone has such black and white views on this. Some things are in the public's interest to record permanently. Some aren't. Laws that respect that distinction are great. Recording everything forever is good in the same way that a total lack of privacy is good. Many things should be transparent, and they should be recorded. But there's room for nuance.
Right to be forgotten actually clearly stipulates those things. Information that's "of the public interest" cannot be forgotten under RTBF, for instance. It clearly defines the reasons people should be able to have their information forgotten, such as it being false, very out of date, private, etc.
Unfortunately, right to be forgotten has a huge weak point: It relies on the party forgetting (often Google or Bing) to decide whether or not RTBF applies, rather than a neutral party such as a court. Criticisms of RTBF have largely surrounded examples where the decisionmaking was faulty, and unfortunately, the entities making the decisions would very much like the legislation to fail.
I would far rather RTBF requests be reviewed and approved or rejected by a government office, not a search engine company.
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was thinking about the right to be forgotten just the other day. It reminds me of the line "democracy is the worst form of government, except from all of the others which we've tried". Imagine a young person who gets wrapped up in some illegal activity. 30 years later settled down with a wife and kids he goes for a job interview and the person across the desk happens to have googled his name. That to me doesn't fee…
The question is if you should defend the rights of the past offenders or current potential victim. Sure, there might be repercussions for past conduct, but at the end just one person is responsible for it. On the other hand you have potential victims who can't protect themselves by doing background check on potential perpetrator. If you prevent the victim from taking reasonable precautions, aren't you at least a litt…
Like a social credit score?
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#29What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?
> When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?
Yes, but only if it is possible to index/search/dump the contents of people's brains. In that case we are walking video cameras violating people's privacy everywhere we go, and it is only logical that we should mandate people get their brains wiped of privacy infringing information.
How would you like it if people sold information about you based on what they saw and heard you do in public? That is a gross violation of your privacy and illegal theft of your data. Wouldn't you want that person's brain to be wiped of information they have on you to protect your rights?
Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?
#30I really hate the 'right to be forgotten'... it infringes on other people's 'right to remember' I should be able to talk about my experience with someone else in a public forum, even if that information is something that person doesn't want others to know.
>I should be able to talk about my experience with someone else in a public forum, even if that information is something that person doesn't want others to know.
I previously asked[0] how EU would treat a convicted rapist such as (American) Brock Turner. The reply by commenter IAmEveryone says the law would prohibit the victim from writing about it. (If the scenario is not clear, a victim's blogpost is not a search index and yet it would still be prohibited.)
Since my April 2018 comment, that hypothetical scenario has been made more concrete when the victim later revealed herself as Chanel Miller on September 2019. She's been fervent in sharing her story (her book) in media outlets including websites.
I don't know of any reliable surveys but I'm guessing the majority of Europeans would favor prohibiting her from sharing her story (RTBF) to protect Brock Turner, but the majority of Americans would not.
(I'm sure there's a similar notorious crime & victim in Europe analogous to USA's Brock Turner but I don't have an example.)