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Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by KirinDave »

oflannabhra wrote: post #4
Beltiras wrote: post #3

I've thought a bit about this and come to the conclusion that the best way to survive is not to have anything others would want. If you have nothing others want you will not be attacked for it and have to defend yourself. That will get you past the first wave of deaths: holding on to our old way of life thinking 'property' is important. It's best if you can actually walk to an area where there is protection from the…

So basically, don't be a woman?

This is how a lot of men expect things to go even within society. Sexual assault is ostensibly illegal but in practice does not always result in harsh penalties.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by mieseratte »

whatshisface wrote: post #17
CodeCube wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why "preppers" make me laugh ... they go out of their way to stockpile these resources (food, guns, survival gear, etc). I don't know about you, but anyone I've ever met with prepper tendencies isn't shy about letting you know about it ... so now they're making it known that in an emergency, they will be the place for the mob to raid

Wouldn't the mob run away after a few people in front got shot? I'm sure there are historical examples for comparison.

The problem with security is you have to be right every time, they only have to be right once.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by KirinDave »

Beltiras wrote: post #8
oflannabhra wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically, don't be a woman?

I think a collapse of civilization will be hard on women yes. I'm not misogynistic and am an advocate of equal rights for all sexes but there are hard realizations about the sort of behavior we would exhibit in the wrong sort of circumstances.

Alternative: misogyny is so ingrained into our worldview that we view it as the default, natural state we revert to.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by jniedrauer »

oflannabhra wrote: post #4
Beltiras wrote: post #3

I've thought a bit about this and come to the conclusion that the best way to survive is not to have anything others would want. If you have nothing others want you will not be attacked for it and have to defend yourself. That will get you past the first wave of deaths: holding on to our old way of life thinking 'property' is important. It's best if you can actually walk to an area where there is protection from the…

So basically, don't be a woman?

Actually, the opposite is true. There's no single explanation for it, but women tend to survive in much higher numbers during times of severe famine or catastrophe. It's likely a combination of several factors: Women have slower metabolisms and higher bodyfat, and they tend to form more close knit groups. Men tend to take on more physical labor, they tend to waste more energy, and are more likely to end up as social outcasts.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by corebit »

CodeCube wrote: post #5
Beltiras wrote: post #3

I've thought a bit about this and come to the conclusion that the best way to survive is not to have anything others would want. If you have nothing others want you will not be attacked for it and have to defend yourself. That will get you past the first wave of deaths: holding on to our old way of life thinking 'property' is important. It's best if you can actually walk to an area where there is protection from the…

This is why "preppers" make me laugh ... they go out of their way to stockpile these resources (food, guns, survival gear, etc). I don't know about you, but anyone I've ever met with prepper tendencies isn't shy about letting you know about it ... so now they're making it known that in an emergency, they will be the place for the mob to raid

Keep in mind selection bias. The only preppers you know are the ones who let you know they are preppers.

Many mormons are "preppers" in that their religion urges them to stockpile up to a year of food.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by saalweachter »

whatshisface wrote: post #17
CodeCube wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why "preppers" make me laugh ... they go out of their way to stockpile these resources (food, guns, survival gear, etc). I don't know about you, but anyone I've ever met with prepper tendencies isn't shy about letting you know about it ... so now they're making it known that in an emergency, they will be the place for the mob to raid

Wouldn't the mob run away after a few people in front got shot? I'm sure there are historical examples for comparison.

Your children are starving.

You can (a) run away and watch them starve or (b) rush the compound and hope to get some food.

Threats -- and demonstrations -- of violence are only reliable if the person being threatened has something to lose.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by beat »

Something else to consider, that the article doesn't really touch, is the pace of change. Even at global-disaster scale, climate change moves pretty slowly. The ocean may rise a couple of meters, but it's not rising a couple of meters later this afternoon.

Interesting thing to think about... in the past century, Earth's population has quadrupled, with most of that occurring along coastlines. That means we built enough housing in a century to accommodate four times as many people in those coastal cities. Why can't we just keep building? Population growth has mostly leveled off (we're looking at no more than 50% population increase over the next century, probably less), and we have much better tools now than we had then. If New Orleans floods, you don't necessarily need to move to Kansas to escape it - and the mouth of the Mississippi will continue to be a vital trade corridor even if the oceans rise.

The changes are generational in timespan. Think that way.

Re: Advice for a climate change apocalypse

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Post by merpnderp »

mooreds wrote: post #6

Loved the message. Just like you can't run away from yourself (trust me), humanity can't run away from its collective self. My favorite book about this is Lucifer's Hammer: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer%27s_Hammer Not perfect but certainly echoes the article's theme that we'll still be in society, even after a catastrophe, and will have to work within it.

I wish I could remember the book, but it was targeted at preppers by someone who'd lived through a temporary collapse of government in S. America. And his advice was if you are truly a prepper, you aren't storing guns, ammo, and food, you're working to get your local government to prepare for disaster events. And his reasoning was this, as soon as the central government failed, the smaller towns created militias which went around collecting food and supplies to be rationed by everyone.
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