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Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by cybersnowflake »

Pfhreak wrote: post #11
cybersnowflake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

I'll bite: > years ago where the brainwashing kicked in Brainwashing is a value judgement, an insult directed at the opposing point of view. > any normal person anywhere in the world who would honestly tell me this sounds like a well adjusted sane individual who wouldn't in all probability be a human headache for everyone around them? Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely di…

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Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by oliverx0 »

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags:

“I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,”

So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations without proof like that would get serious. Does that make them evil?

“I whistle blew a colleague who used the N-word in jokes. HR found nothing conclusive”

So HR investigated, found nothing conclusive. What is the alternative? The did their job and arrived to a conclusion. Just because the conclusion did not match the accusation, now Google is evil?

“when I was sexually harassed on my former team by my [team lead] I quickly reported it to my manager. I was told I was ‘overreacting’ and that I should just ‘get over it.’”

Again, this seems to be a subjective stance. Your manager thought you were overreacting, given whatever proof / accusations you provided. Just because he / she did not agree with it, does not mean they are evil.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by cybersnowflake »

sergiotapia wrote: post #16
cybersnowflake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

"I identify as a LatinX female" miss me with that imperialist shit. we're latino and latina.

Thats the funny thing. You're basically erasing the Spanish language with the nongendered approach of English by using the term.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by And1 »

claudeganon wrote: post #6

I hope that Googlers can work toward creating a labor organization that helps them resolve these issues, because in light of all this and after Google HR’s involvement in the wage-fixing scandal, it seems obvious that things are pretty rotten in terms of their internal governance.

Yeah I agree. Given that a company can ignore HR if they choose to, I'm not sure how else workers can expect to be protected from this kind of thing.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by trthomps »

dvt wrote: post #20

HR is not your friend and HR will never be your friend. In a post-2008 world, it baffles me that people still think that somewhere, deep-down, multi-billion dollar conglomerates have employees' best interests at heart. How quickly we forgot people losing their lifelong savings and entire pension funds going bust. Only to have the government bail out the exact same charlatans that dropped the ball in the first place.…

I completely agree. If I ever find myself in the situation of one of these stories, aka the victim, I will be going straight to an employment lawyer before HR to discuss my options. Hopefully meeting with HR with my lawyer present.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by dominotw »

trenning wrote: post #15
dominotw wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> someone felt unprotected by HR How can this ever be true. Why would someone possibly expect HR to protect them. Isn't it basic commonsense that HR( or anyone) works for person who pays them. Their job is to protect their employers from you ( not the other way around). I've never worked at a place where this wasn't true. Maybe this should be taught in college or something.

If you ever want to proceed with legal actions against the company then you have to put it into record somewhere which typically means reporting incidents to HR. Which ultimately leads to getting fired. What else are people supposed to do? It's a shitty unwinnable situation for employees, I've been on the shit end of this stick before at a different tech co for complaining and was retaliated against. It's not fun and…

> If you ever want to proceed with legal actions against the company then you have to put it into record somewhere which typically means reporting incidents to HR.

This is not true. You don't have to record anything with HR for legal action. Its not a prerequisite by any means.

Going to HR is always a wrong move. Get a lawyer.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by reroute1 »

oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

Right, there isn't enough evidence provided to actually verify or judge any of these. In itself they are pretty useless anonymous claims.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by gowld »

oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

So, because there is no permanent evidence of the harm, is the reporter "evil"? ("Evil" is your term.)

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by anoncareer0212 »

dominotw wrote: post #26
trenning wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ever want to proceed with legal actions against the company then you have to put it into record somewhere which typically means reporting incidents to HR. Which ultimately leads to getting fired. What else are people supposed to do? It's a shitty unwinnable situation for employees, I've been on the shit end of this stick before at a different tech co for complaining and was retaliated against. It's not fun and…

> If you ever want to proceed with legal actions against the company then you have to put it into record somewhere which typically means reporting incidents to HR. This is not true. You don't have to record anything with HR for legal action. Its not a prerequisite by any means. Going to HR is always a wrong move. Get a lawyer.

If you're ever lucky enough to need a lawyer for a situation like this, one of the first things they'll need is for you to report this to the company – it's very, very, difficult to argue negligence or retaliation if the company never heard about it in the first place

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by iamnotacrook »

gowld wrote: post #28
oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

So, because there is no permanent evidence of the harm, is the reporter "evil"? ("Evil" is your term.)

It was investigated and there was no harm?
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