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How China Unleashed Twitter Trolls to Discredit Hong Kong’s Protesters

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Re: How China Unleashed Twitter Trolls to Discredit Hong Kong’s Protesters

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Why would anyone trust the NYTimes which has just discredited itself over the weekend with its latest (botched) hatchet job on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh? There are genuine voices out there who disagree with the protestors political aims and who completely reject the violence employed by a radical minority of the protestors. Not everyone is a "wumao" or "5 cent" paid troll or bot. It would be nice if there were…

>For example, why do prominent faces of the movement such as Joshua Wong frequently use the phrase "God Bless Hong Kong" for Western media interviews (and in a congressional hearing yesterday)?

Joshua Wong is Christian, having been raised Lutheran by his Hong Kong parents. About 10% of Hong Kong identifies as Christian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Wong#Early_life

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Why would anyone trust the NYTimes which has just discredited itself over the weekend with its latest (botched) hatchet job on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh? There are genuine voices out there who disagree with the protestors political aims and who completely reject the violence employed by a radical minority of the protestors. Not everyone is a "wumao" or "5 cent" paid troll or bot. It would be nice if there were…

was this post made ironically?

Given that it's impossible to tell, we can surely say it was made postironically.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curios - hktruth. What is your background and interest in this subject? I mean: you call yourself hk truth and your only two posts has been on Hong Kong.

Throwaway account to talk about Hong Kong. Look at the downvotes I'm getting.

Throwaway accounts get throwaway respect.

Why are you "acting" indignant? you created a throwaway for this exact purpose.

("Acting", because it's funny to think about robots acting)

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Am starting to feel this trolling is an industry (like troll farm) of its own - there are people or bots dedicated to trolling and reporting people who raise voice against the discrimination.. I recently had to report an unfair service by virgin atlantic staff after an emergency landing - I tweeted the pictures and video of the incident.. I was immediately trolled by twitter accounts about how i should be happy that…

> guess people do not matter anymore

I agree with this sentiment.

only groups of people seem relevant nowadays. makes me really wonder about the philosophy and history of individualism.

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Am starting to feel this trolling is an industry (like troll farm) of its own - there are people or bots dedicated to trolling and reporting people who raise voice against the discrimination.. I recently had to report an unfair service by virgin atlantic staff after an emergency landing - I tweeted the pictures and video of the incident.. I was immediately trolled by twitter accounts about how i should be happy that…

What's the point in complaining on twitter about it? The situation sucks, but the airline was most likely doing its best to resolve it. It's probably not possible to plan ahead much for unexpected diversions.

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Why would anyone trust the NYTimes which has just discredited itself over the weekend with its latest (botched) hatchet job on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh? There are genuine voices out there who disagree with the protestors political aims and who completely reject the violence employed by a radical minority of the protestors. Not everyone is a "wumao" or "5 cent" paid troll or bot. It would be nice if there were…

I am curios - hktruth. What is your background and interest in this subject? I mean: you call yourself hk truth and your only two posts has been on Hong Kong.

We currently live in a world where people don't feel comfortable expressing dissenting opinions about Hong Kong and China from their primary accounts. Any dissenting opinion is immediately suppressed and the user in question surrounded by a hostile interrogation squad.

When they make anonymous green accounts for the specific purpose of airing these opinions, they get accused of astroturfing because they "only discuss" the specific subject. Just think about the irony of that for a second as it relates to what HK supporters purport to be fighting for.

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwaway account to talk about Hong Kong. Look at the downvotes I'm getting.

Throwaway accounts get throwaway respect. Why are you "acting" indignant? you created a throwaway for this exact purpose. ("Acting", because it's funny to think about robots acting)

Turing test in 3..2..

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What is stopping Twitter from releasing server logs for others to independently authenticate attribution? Facebook, Google have not declared. The ASPI analysis proceeds on assumption that Twitters attribution is correct. The startup Digital Intelligence concludes confidently "China has made its debut as a confirmed information operations actor" because the bots coordinated behavior "emulat[es] divisive disinformation tactics seen in other disinformation campaigns from Russia and Iran".

That said, the take away from both analysis is that 30 (DI) - 112 (ASPI) of the ~900 accounts have high likelihood of being an disinformation network... that operated for over 2 years, using many re-purposed spam/dating/escort/porn accounts that was never sanitized to preserve cover. Evaluate the scale and operational rigor of this network and it's hard to conclude this is state-level tradecraft than some independent agent/contractor with limited resources and basic scripting knowledge.

Leave it to NYT to sneak in balance at the end with inflammatory headline.

>Elise Thomas, one of the authors of the Australian report, said that the low level of professionalism suggested that the campaign was not the work of the People’s Liberation Army or the Ministry of State Security, which have previously been linked to Chinese cyberespionage and information campaigns.

>“I would be surprised if the P.L.A. was responsible because I would expect they would be more competent than this,” Ms. Thomas said.

Yeah. Look, China is bad at foreign influence campaigns, but this is insultingly bad. I'm completely willing to believe China has expanded propaganda efforts abroad, but this doesn't feel like it.

E: unsurprisingly people are already using the article to accusing others of being bots. Because humans writing and replying unique responses are equivalent to automated bots that copy and base tweets on a schedule.

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Why would anyone trust the NYTimes which has just discredited itself over the weekend with its latest (botched) hatchet job on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh? There are genuine voices out there who disagree with the protestors political aims and who completely reject the violence employed by a radical minority of the protestors. Not everyone is a "wumao" or "5 cent" paid troll or bot. It would be nice if there were…

Yup, you only need to look at how the media reports on Hong Kong vs Kashmir.

As long as a story fits people’s biases, it’s “the truth.”

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China has been using armies of bots for many years to sway public opinion. Much scarier than Russia, because they have 10X the resources.

Well they’ve been doing a pretty bad job then, considering how often they are bashed on HN, Reddit, Imgur, etc.
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