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One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi.

They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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You can, they're just not marketed to consumers. Search electronics retailers like B&H, Newegg, etc for "commercial displays" or "digital signage" and you'll see a lot of familiar looking units that don't have all the consumer garbage built in. They tend to be more expensive but not prohibitively so.

Don't those units tend to have subpar picture quality though due to being optimized for reliability and minimal burn-in over refresh rate?

They also cost a fortune. I tried to get one for work and IT department quoted $2k for a 65 inch display.

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When can I buy a TV without smart features? I don't doubt that my smart TV is reporting some data about my usage, but I barely have a choice in the matter.

I got a Samsung "SmartTV", turned it on and the first thing I saw was advertisement and an insane amount of calls to Samsung servers on my Pi-hole. On the TV I just paid for. Opened it up, disconnected the WiFi module, connected my Apple TV to it and am pretty happy.

Did you disable WiFi in the menu, or physically remove the WiFi card/chip?

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

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One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi. They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Next time, make a VLAN with its own Wifi, then connect the TV to that VLAN and then what you want to do is block any incoming or outgoing network traffic to the smart TV. If you do this then no one else can attempt to hijack or connect to your TV and the TV wont ask you to connect it to a network, because its already connected to a network. This worked great on my LG smart TV.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

#25

When can I buy a TV without smart features? I don't doubt that my smart TV is reporting some data about my usage, but I barely have a choice in the matter.

It's surprising to me that you can't find a single medium or high-ish end TV without smart features, but at the same time chromecast/firetv/apple tv units and sticks also seem to be selling very well. Is everyone just putting up with the shitty built-in smart interface, but then switching inputs to their separate unit of choice?

> It's surprising to me that you can't find a single medium or high-ish end TV without smart features

for a while you couldn't find a tv with decent features that wasn't 3d. happy to see that trend be over.

unfortunately, it seems that industrial tv panels seem to be going away as well.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

#26

When can I buy a TV without smart features? I don't doubt that my smart TV is reporting some data about my usage, but I barely have a choice in the matter.

I got a Samsung "SmartTV", turned it on and the first thing I saw was advertisement and an insane amount of calls to Samsung servers on my Pi-hole. On the TV I just paid for. Opened it up, disconnected the WiFi module, connected my Apple TV to it and am pretty happy.

Why did you give it access to Wi-Fi in the first place? I have a Samsung smart TV and I just skipped that step. Performing a HW mod seems unnecessary.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

#27

One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi. They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Next time, make a VLAN with its own Wifi, then connect the TV to that VLAN and then what you want to do is block any incoming or outgoing network traffic to the smart TV. If you do this then no one else can attempt to hijack or connect to your TV and the TV wont ask you to connect it to a network, because its already connected to a network. This worked great on my LG smart TV.

That's cool. I also saw someone mention PI-hole. I'd pick whichever method is easiest to setup for my parents, and lowest-maintenance so they don't have to call me. ;)

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

#28

One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi. They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Next time, make a VLAN with its own Wifi, then connect the TV to that VLAN and then what you want to do is block any incoming or outgoing network traffic to the smart TV. If you do this then no one else can attempt to hijack or connect to your TV and the TV wont ask you to connect it to a network, because its already connected to a network. This worked great on my LG smart TV.

What is the point of doing this as opposed to just skipping that step? Does it keep nagging you? Or are certain features disabled if you don't connect?

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

#29

One of the first images to appear on my Samsung TV, after purchasing and plugging it in to the power outlet, was a prompt asking to connect to my WiFi. They almost got me, but thankfully there was an option to skip that step. But I'm sure they'd hook my parents and friends for sure.

Next time, make a VLAN with its own Wifi, then connect the TV to that VLAN and then what you want to do is block any incoming or outgoing network traffic to the smart TV. If you do this then no one else can attempt to hijack or connect to your TV and the TV wont ask you to connect it to a network, because its already connected to a network. This worked great on my LG smart TV.

My network is setup like this. It is really easy to do if you have a good router/AP, but most consumer routers, especially the ones provided by ISPs, are not vlan aware.

Re: Smart TVs sending sensitive user data to Netflix and Facebook

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's surprising to me that you can't find a single medium or high-ish end TV without smart features, but at the same time chromecast/firetv/apple tv units and sticks also seem to be selling very well. Is everyone just putting up with the shitty built-in smart interface, but then switching inputs to their separate unit of choice?

> It's surprising to me that you can't find a single medium or high-ish end TV without smart features for a while you couldn't find a tv with decent features that wasn't 3d. happy to see that trend be over. unfortunately, it seems that industrial tv panels seem to be going away as well.

> for a while you couldn't find a tv with decent features that wasn't 3d. happy to see that trend be over.

Huh, why would one avoid TVs that have 3D?

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