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The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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post #18

If (like me) you're bored by regular chess now, consider trying out the variant 16x16 "Four Kings one War." It has been turned into Steam game with a free demo : https://store.steampowered.com/app/883680/Four_Kings_One_War... The AI for this game was coded in Rust, by me. Good luck!

Many Go players were bored chess players.

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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Re classical, if you don’t want to take my word for it, look up the chess24 interview after the last world champs where magnus said it was so unenjoyable he wasn’t even sure if he’d defend his title. No offense, only people who suck at bullet say it doesn’t involve thinking. It’s the same game, it involves developing and training your intuition. I could teach anyone how to get good, even you... if you were open to le…

If you have to say "No offense" to begin a sentence, it probably doesn't belong on HN. And "..even you..if you were open to learn" is in the same vein. I'm not interested in communicating further. Edit: Gee, lots of downvotes. Not sure why. Should I have said nothing? I thought the way they spoke to me was utterly unacceptable, as I calmly pointed out. My initial points were mostly obvious things everyone in the ches…

> Should I have said nothing?

I'm hoping you want a reply here, or else I'm wasting my time ;-) I have found that letting others have the last word is both magnanimous and a great strategy for extracting myself from conversations with people I no longer wish to talk to. You seem like the kind of person who appreciates strategic thinking, which is why I thought you might enjoy that idea.

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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Re classical, if you don’t want to take my word for it, look up the chess24 interview after the last world champs where magnus said it was so unenjoyable he wasn’t even sure if he’d defend his title. No offense, only people who suck at bullet say it doesn’t involve thinking. It’s the same game, it involves developing and training your intuition. I could teach anyone how to get good, even you... if you were open to le…

If you have to say "No offense" to begin a sentence, it probably doesn't belong on HN. And "..even you..if you were open to learn" is in the same vein. I'm not interested in communicating further. Edit: Gee, lots of downvotes. Not sure why. Should I have said nothing? I thought the way they spoke to me was utterly unacceptable, as I calmly pointed out. My initial points were mostly obvious things everyone in the ches…

That's because you called his hobby "lol---chess without thinking" then got huffy when he replied in the same tone.

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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If you have to say "No offense" to begin a sentence, it probably doesn't belong on HN. And "..even you..if you were open to learn" is in the same vein. I'm not interested in communicating further. Edit: Gee, lots of downvotes. Not sure why. Should I have said nothing? I thought the way they spoke to me was utterly unacceptable, as I calmly pointed out. My initial points were mostly obvious things everyone in the ches…

> Should I have said nothing? I'm hoping you want a reply here, or else I'm wasting my time ;-) I have found that letting others have the last word is both magnanimous and a great strategy for extracting myself from conversations with people I no longer wish to talk to. You seem like the kind of person who appreciates strategic thinking, which is why I thought you might enjoy that idea.

I read HN for civilised rejoinders such as this.

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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post #10

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How has computer chess changed how humans play humans? (I.e. when you take the computer out of thr equation).

At the amateur level, not much. Other than most amateurs spend way too much time relying on engine evals, and as a result don’t develop their own ability to learn “chess sense”. Competitive players can now prepare easily for individual opponents, which is cool and used to only be feasible for pros. For pros, it means that everyone plays the same safe openings, because they’re all “booked up” thanks to engines. Also m…

So classical chess is a style that would be obvious just by watching someone for a number of moves? That's very interesting.

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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Re classical, if you don’t want to take my word for it, look up the chess24 interview after the last world champs where magnus said it was so unenjoyable he wasn’t even sure if he’d defend his title. No offense, only people who suck at bullet say it doesn’t involve thinking. It’s the same game, it involves developing and training your intuition. I could teach anyone how to get good, even you... if you were open to le…

If you have to say "No offense" to begin a sentence, it probably doesn't belong on HN. And "..even you..if you were open to learn" is in the same vein. I'm not interested in communicating further. Edit: Gee, lots of downvotes. Not sure why. Should I have said nothing? I thought the way they spoke to me was utterly unacceptable, as I calmly pointed out. My initial points were mostly obvious things everyone in the ches…

It's really ironic that you adopted such a sneering tone in your post and then tried to gatekeep what does or does not belong on HN.

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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post #18

If (like me) you're bored by regular chess now, consider trying out the variant 16x16 "Four Kings one War." It has been turned into Steam game with a free demo : https://store.steampowered.com/app/883680/Four_Kings_One_War... The AI for this game was coded in Rust, by me. Good luck!

It looks fun, does it work on Linux using Proton?

Re: The End of the Golden Era of American Chess

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post #25

A bit offtopic: is it still possible to create a Chess/Go type game that is easy for humans but hard for AI? Or are we past that point already?

Probably no. The issue with tabletop games is that we can model them with ease. This allows bots to play myriads of games and the ability to look ahead in possible moves.
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