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Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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I'd prefer to see them spending time on polishing their mobile app, which lacks in UX in important areas. For instance offline access to received, but yet unopened emails simply doesn't work. There is a (mis)feature where email bodies are downloaded only on notification, but in my case emails remain unavailable offline and Protonmail support was unhelpful. But even if email-via-notification worked, it is still pretty…

As a counter, I wouldn't prefer that — yes, there are UX improvements to be made to both the app and the Web UI, but I think multiple distributions channels are welcome.

Ideally, pushing the APK to multiple distribution channels is mostly a one-time job to integrate with their build and deploy pipelines and then it's relatively business-as-usual, so I would imagine it won't take away a lot from development effort in other places once up & running.

As a non-Google Play user, I'm installing via Aptoide (a platform I don't _really_ trust yet) and relying on signatures to validate that the package is valid. Any moves by ProtonMail to offer '1st party' distributions (e.g. F-Droid) is really welcome.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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As if I needed more evidence that Bloomberg is below 0 on the credibility scale. They are officially a tabloid to me now.

I still find it useful to read mainstream media, even 'free' publications like Metro and the Evening Standard in London. What I do is not read them for news per se, but a sort of high level scan of what the publication's bias is. What narratives are being pushed? How has the publication ordered, or prominently displayed articles? What news is completely omitted? For example, no mainstream media outlet in the UK cover…

> Al Quds day in London

From what I can tell, the March on this day tends to attract less than 500 people. So lack of coverage is not a indication of BBC bias.

Regarding Brexit, Question Time seems to have Nigel Farrage on all the time, despite his lack of electoral success.

Still, I decide to take a look at last week's panel for you. And here is what I found:

Kwasi Kwarteng - Pro Brexit

Emily Thornberry - Remain

Layla Moran - Remain

Ian Blackford - Remain

Iain Dale - Pro Brexit

Richard Tice - Pro Bexit

No huge anti-Brexit bias in evidence.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Looks like Bloomberg is doing the same as with the "implant" rumors and Supermicro a few months ago. Gruber has a very nice disclaimer at the bottom of posts mentioning Bloomberg now: "Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” last October — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The…

I'm still completely astonished by how little attention this got and that Bloomberg has never been forced through public pressure to offer a correction. It's bizarre given how large the story was when it first broke.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still find it useful to read mainstream media, even 'free' publications like Metro and the Evening Standard in London. What I do is not read them for news per se, but a sort of high level scan of what the publication's bias is. What narratives are being pushed? How has the publication ordered, or prominently displayed articles? What news is completely omitted? For example, no mainstream media outlet in the UK cover…

I sympathise with the BBC as it must be hard finding people who are both articulate enough to appear and coherent when defending Brexit.

Ah yes, this old chestnut: https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/92367597312354304...

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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It's a recurring theme: Media outlets publish whatever they 'want' to believe with little due diligence and the product makers have to scramble to put up clarifiers.

Media outlets certainly do that, but can't product makers sue them for damages, when they publish false information that can tank a stock or kill a company's sales?

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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I'd like to point out one thing. The people at ProtonMail are clearly under the belief that they are only subject to Swiss law because they are located in Switzerland. That's not my understanding of the law at all. Granted, it seems like an obvious conclusion but legally the truth seems to be different.

For instance, at my employer we had training on the GDPR rules and how they relate to us. We are a US based company with many global clients. However, we do have a physical presence in some EU countries so that does differ with the ProtonMail situation. However, in our training we were told that our business presence in the EU is irrelevant to the actual law because we would still be bound by it as it relates to our global clients. The layman's explanation we were given was that if you are using the internet to conduct digital business across country borders then you are pretty much subject to the laws of both nations between the client and the service provider.

That generally translates to defaulting to whichever law is more restrictive. For companies like Facebook and Google, they've rolled out GDPR style protections for everyone globally because it's much easier to do so than to only have it apply to a portion of their users, but that's a separate story.

I think everyone intuitively understands and knows this to be true. We can all think of cases where hackers have committed crimes that may only violate, for example, US laws and have been tried and convicted of such crimes even though they were committed overseas but the aggrieved party is the US or its citizens.

I think what ProtonMail is really saying is that because Switzerland doesn't have laws similar to China in this regard, China won't be able to convince Switzerland to extradite them to China for prosecution.

That's also why Russia threatened to ban them - because they know there is zero chance they will be willingly handed over to Russian authorities for this.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Looks like Bloomberg is doing the same as with the "implant" rumors and Supermicro a few months ago. Gruber has a very nice disclaimer at the bottom of posts mentioning Bloomberg now: "Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” last October — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The…

Thanks for reminding about this. I really don't know why people take Bloomberg seriously after "The Big Hack" article. From my point of view, they lost all credibility and I no longer believe what they write.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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I'd like to point out one thing. The people at ProtonMail are clearly under the belief that they are only subject to Swiss law because they are located in Switzerland. That's not my understanding of the law at all. Granted, it seems like an obvious conclusion but legally the truth seems to be different. For instance, at my employer we had training on the GDPR rules and how they relate to us. We are a US based company…

Not all countries handle international law violations the same. ProtonMail makes this clear in the above explanation - other foreign countries are welcome to make claims, but they must do so under Swiss law and Swiss courts. Swiss law, afaik, does not allow the Russians to simply claim all user records.
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