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Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Post by adrianN »

mythrwy wrote: post #19
adrianN wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd better call up the IPCC and tell them of your findings, because they believe that 99% of the coral will be dead in a 2° world with high confidence. Currently our emissions are on a path for much stronger warming that even that.

Appeal to authority isn't really an argument though. I've laid the fact I know of out, you are free to believe what you want.

I'm not an expert on coral reef ecology, and probably neither are you. Believing the scientists who are is the natural choice.

Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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adrianN wrote: post #21
mythrwy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appeal to authority isn't really an argument though. I've laid the fact I know of out, you are free to believe what you want.

I'm not an expert on coral reef ecology, and probably neither are you. Believing the scientists who are is the natural choice.

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Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Post by diveanon »

mistermann wrote: post #9
diveanon wrote: post #2

I have the good fortune to work on an island surrounded by "super corals". The spawning this year seemed to be synchronized and right on schedule. Life is adaptable, and while that does not excuse our behavior it does give me hope for the future of our reefs. Reefs are the oldest ecosystems on the planet, they will survive the damage we are doing to the planet. Our species however may not. If you are at all intereste…

> coral farming projects Do you have much familiarity with this? I assume it's where they build some sort of a frame and then attach small pieces of living coral to it to start a new reef? A comment below says: "The threat to them, as I understand it, is that global warming will happen so quickly that they will be unable to adapt by migrating in latitude or evolving defenses." I was watching a documentary the other d…

I believe it could be industrialized quite easily. We are currently experimenting with using crushed glass bottles as a substrate and then transplanting the corals once they have established.

This allows us to kill two birds with one stone by recycling waste products and growing coral.

It is difficult to grow coral outside of the ocean, so the transplantation is very laborious. However this is where volunteer divers can be a huge assistance. The work is safe and easy, just time consuming.

Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Post by diveanon »

sifar wrote: post #14
diveanon wrote: post #2

I have the good fortune to work on an island surrounded by "super corals". The spawning this year seemed to be synchronized and right on schedule. Life is adaptable, and while that does not excuse our behavior it does give me hope for the future of our reefs. Reefs are the oldest ecosystems on the planet, they will survive the damage we are doing to the planet. Our species however may not. If you are at all intereste…

Me/my kids are fascinated by corals. Can you please suggest any books/resources to study and understand them ?

I would highly recommend taking a scuba diving course with your kids. They can start as early as 8 years old, however in order to be classified as open water autonomous divers you need to wait until they are 10.

I don't know where you are located, but PADI open water course outside of the US is about $200 and takes 3-4 days.

https://www.padi.com/help/scuba-certification-faq

Its a skill they will have for life and it will be something you will talk about for years.

The only downside is that once you start diving all of your vacations become diving trips.

As far as resources are concerned, go to a used book store and pick up tropical reef animal (coral are animals) identification books. They are great coffee table reading and are effectively real life Pokedexes.

Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Post by diveanon »

bscphil wrote: post #6
diveanon wrote: post #2

I have the good fortune to work on an island surrounded by "super corals". The spawning this year seemed to be synchronized and right on schedule. Life is adaptable, and while that does not excuse our behavior it does give me hope for the future of our reefs. Reefs are the oldest ecosystems on the planet, they will survive the damage we are doing to the planet. Our species however may not. If you are at all intereste…

> Reefs are the oldest ecosystems on the planet, they will survive the damage we are doing to the planet. Our species however may not. My understanding is that this is very much in doubt. According to the IPCC Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5 °C [1], > The risks of climate-induced impacts are projected to be higher at 2°C than those at global warming of 1.5°C (high confidence). Coral reefs, for example, are pr…

They survived meteor impacts that lit the atmosphere on fire and blocked out the sun for years, life finds a way.

What we are doing to the environment is catastrophic, but it is not the hardest thing it has had to endure.

Just as an example, despite nearly world wide bleaching my house reef is expanding by over 2 meters a year and the pace is accelerating.

Some species thrive as others die, those that can adapt will take the place of the ones that can't. That doesn't mean that we should stop trying to undo the damage we have already done, but I try to avoid the defeatist attitude that many environmentalists seem to pushing these days.

Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Post by mistermann »

diveanon wrote: post #23
mistermann wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> coral farming projects Do you have much familiarity with this? I assume it's where they build some sort of a frame and then attach small pieces of living coral to it to start a new reef? A comment below says: "The threat to them, as I understand it, is that global warming will happen so quickly that they will be unable to adapt by migrating in latitude or evolving defenses." I was watching a documentary the other d…

I believe it could be industrialized quite easily. We are currently experimenting with using crushed glass bottles as a substrate and then transplanting the corals once they have established. This allows us to kill two birds with one stone by recycling waste products and growing coral. It is difficult to grow coral outside of the ocean, so the transplantation is very laborious. However this is where volunteer divers…

> It is difficult to grow coral outside of the ocean, so the transplantation is very laborious.

With proper specialized equipment (say, a budget of $10 million), what kind of an improvement change could be achieved in your opinion?

Re: Another Blow for the Future of Corals

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Post by sifar »

diveanon wrote: post #24
sifar wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me/my kids are fascinated by corals. Can you please suggest any books/resources to study and understand them ?

I would highly recommend taking a scuba diving course with your kids. They can start as early as 8 years old, however in order to be classified as open water autonomous divers you need to wait until they are 10. I don't know where you are located, but PADI open water course outside of the US is about $200 and takes 3-4 days. https://www.padi.com/help/scuba-certification-faq Its a skill they will have for life and it…

Thanks, will have to wait a few years for the PADI course, but looking forward to it.
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