I'm curious: fundamentally, can the economy find a place for many more talented STEM people ?
And if not, what's missing - useful ideas ? capital ? management ? Something else ?
The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)
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Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)
#22The local schools here now call it STEAM, include in "Arts" and now say: >"It will include subjects like history, social studies, and language arts, all of which are vital facets of a STEAM curriculum." and now STEM has no meaning anymore (if it ever did). These are all fine subjects, but they miss the point of the push for STEM that was based on the theory that Americans are falling behind in Math, Science, and Engi…
Something I've observed working in education: All educational acronyms eventually become SCHOOL.
Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)
#23I'm curious: fundamentally, can the economy find a place for many more talented STEM people ? And if not, what's missing - useful ideas ? capital ? management ? Something else ?
I think even the premium-credentialed grads are mostly working on last-man bullshit of marginal utility.
Look at the kinds of brain-trusts Nest employed before they went down the toilet.
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#24Covered by Eric Weinstein https://www.ineteconomics.org/research/research-papers/how-a...
Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)
#25The local schools here now call it STEAM, include in "Arts" and now say: >"It will include subjects like history, social studies, and language arts, all of which are vital facets of a STEAM curriculum." and now STEM has no meaning anymore (if it ever did). These are all fine subjects, but they miss the point of the push for STEM that was based on the theory that Americans are falling behind in Math, Science, and Engi…
It has no meaning but it's more inclusive.
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#26There is no such thing as a "STEM job". There are computer science jobs and marine biology jobs, both under the rubric of STEM, but the skill sets are not fungible and the employment prospects are wildly different. We can simultaneously produce more STEM graduates than jobs and have a shortage of workers for STEM jobs. The most popular STEM degree by a large margin is psychology, many more than all engineering discip…
https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2018/article/engineers.htm...
140,000 new jobs over the next 10 years, 1,700,000 current employment. Assuming the replacement cycle for an engineer is 20 years, that's about 100,000 jobs per year.
The ASEE ”Engineering by the Numbers" shows 124,000 engineering bachelor's degrees awarded in 2017.
Sure, you can slice it down to appear to be a deficit, but it'll look rediculous. "I need an opto-acoustic engineer with a pituitary gland the size of an avocado."
Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)
#27The only people who honestly think there are a shortage of stem workers are those who aren't in stem.
Re: The STEM Crisis Is a Myth (2013)
#28The local schools here now call it STEAM, include in "Arts" and now say: >"It will include subjects like history, social studies, and language arts, all of which are vital facets of a STEAM curriculum." and now STEM has no meaning anymore (if it ever did). These are all fine subjects, but they miss the point of the push for STEM that was based on the theory that Americans are falling behind in Math, Science, and Engi…
STEAM does actually have a meaning: it excludes low-tech vocational training, home economics, and physical education.
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#29There is no such thing as a "STEM job". There are computer science jobs and marine biology jobs, both under the rubric of STEM, but the skill sets are not fungible and the employment prospects are wildly different. We can simultaneously produce more STEM graduates than jobs and have a shortage of workers for STEM jobs. The most popular STEM degree by a large margin is psychology, many more than all engineering discip…
I don't think psychology is typically considered STEM.
It is institution-dependent, and a bit odd. I believe the American Psychological Association have advocated for this.
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#30It seems to me that there is a shortage of qualified employees and yet also a shortage of jobs in every single well-paid, well regarded sector.
It's almost as if we want people to train themselves to work doing hard stuff and also don't want to pay them to do it. In other news, water is wet.