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In India’s Slums, ‘Painkillers Are Part Of The Daily Routine’

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Mundipharma is owned by the Sacklers, aka Purdue. This makes me incredibly angry to read they are repeating the same playbook in Asia, paying doctors and using incredibly misleading and flat out false marketing to get patients addicted. They just offered to sell Munipharma... But feels too small to me. I won't believe justice is done until every penny is recovered from them personally as they've already syphoned out…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be addicted to heroin and honestly, the drug is amazing. The mental and physical clarity it gives you is downright unbelievable. For me the problem was never heroin itself (I worked harder on it, I was less anxious and happier) but the cost and the risk of it’s illegality. If heroin was the same price per pound as other agricultural products like beans or flour, I don’t think I would ever quit. For me the p…

This sounds awful but i would say somewhat believable because many middle class people do coke regularly and apart from usually, picking a few kilos, they still look OK and keep their careers, families and the stuff. For sure it's not nearly as bad as if they were drinking. My ex is a writer and she was mostly writing on coke, she's as far from being a lost in life drug-addicted person as it gets, honestly i'm a lot…

From my personal observations, I don't think coke is quite comparable to heroin. Heroin takes over a person's life in a much more scary way than coke. Heroin becomes the number one thing every day, before food, family, or any other concern. Granted, you can easily be a high functioning heroin addict, if the expense and acquisition are not concerns, but at a point, heroin merely makes you 'normal', and even slightly outside that window is a steep descent into withdrawal hell.

Coke is both better and worse. Not quite as addictive, but it seems to damage people more than heroin does (particularly mentally).

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> In the Mankhurd slum in Mumbai, where the average life expectancy is 39 I wish articles didn't use life expectancy which is always misleading and confusing since it's severely affected by infant mortality. What would be more interesting would be 2 numbers, infant mortality and life expectancy at age 5.

So the death rate before 5 doesn't matter - I am sure it matters a LOT to the parents of those kids that die very young.

No, the point is that if you say that life expectancy is 39 that makes it sound like the average 10 year old will live to about 39. But the actual figure will be a lot higher because the overall figure is brought down by high infant mortality.

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People who haven't done drugs don't really have the right to talk about drugs. It's like people who haven't done sky diving trying to make laws againt sky diving. Rich people do drugs too but it's always when poor people do it it's somehow bad.

Have you actually dealt with people on drugs? Do you know how it effects their families?

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Anecdotally a friend who travelled a lot in India told me that most Rickshaw drivers are take heroin. It wouldn't really surprise me as it looks like a damn tough life that they have.

I used to be addicted to heroin and honestly, the drug is amazing. The mental and physical clarity it gives you is downright unbelievable. For me the problem was never heroin itself (I worked harder on it, I was less anxious and happier) but the cost and the risk of it’s illegality. If heroin was the same price per pound as other agricultural products like beans or flour, I don’t think I would ever quit. For me the p…

Seems like you are still addicted to heroin and just trying to rationalise things. Lets play devils advocate, lets say the problem really was cost and difficulty of procurement. Then rich people should have no issue with it, no? They have enough money and they usually have a trustworthy dealer around. In fact one can practically say that rich people live in world very similar to a world where drugs are legal, because (a) they can afford them and (b) the police do not bother rich people with drug searches nowadays. Should be great.

Of course what really happens is that a rich person takes more and more, gets more and more addicted and thus must take more for the same effect, until they take enough heroin to literally turn off their heart and they die, usually in their bathtub. How many people die from a tylenol overdose.

If you make heroin legal you just ensure the same fate reaches many more people. Perhaps we can make heroin legal for people already addicted but lets not kid ourselves that is just kind of a prolonged assisted suicide.

I have no doubt that you feel miserable and you felt much better on heroin, but that is a product of your addiction rather than anything else. Healthy people can feel mental and physical clarity without drugs.

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In the subcontinent most clinics are commission salesmen for pharmaceutical companies. They have a deal with them that every prescription should include the company's products (painkillers, antibiotics), and they get a commission. Sales reps call on the clinics constantly to push the products. It is horrible.

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People who haven't done drugs don't really have the right to talk about drugs. It's like people who haven't done sky diving trying to make laws againt sky diving. Rich people do drugs too but it's always when poor people do it it's somehow bad.

Have you actually dealt with people on drugs? Do you know how it effects their families?

Doesn't really affect my rich friends much. They call it their youthful phase before they go onto better things in life.

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Mundipharma is owned by the Sacklers, aka Purdue. This makes me incredibly angry to read they are repeating the same playbook in Asia, paying doctors and using incredibly misleading and flat out false marketing to get patients addicted. They just offered to sell Munipharma... But feels too small to me. I won't believe justice is done until every penny is recovered from them personally as they've already syphoned out…

Jews destroying the lives of people just to extract money off of them? Can't be.

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Anecdotally a friend who travelled a lot in India told me that most Rickshaw drivers are take heroin. It wouldn't really surprise me as it looks like a damn tough life that they have.

Do you mean auto rickshaw, bicycle rickshaw, or hand rickshaw?

I assume he meant hand or bicycle rickshaws, but he didn't specify.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The addictive and tolerance building effects of opiates are pretty bad. Heroin may make you feel better, but the withdrawal effects are horrific. Heroin legalization would help people get off the addiction. But it should not be done to encourage people take more opiates.

I remember some addiction treatment centers in certain countries (was it UK?) were allowed to prescribe opiates including heroin as part of program to wean people off it. Is that gone as part of some stupid war on drugs or other?

Still true-ish - it's methadone rather than heroin.

From https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/drug-addiction-get...:

> If you're dependent on heroin or another opioid drug, you may be offered a substitute drug, such as methadone.

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